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1943 Tombac Error - Struck Through?

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 Posted 10/28/2017  8:34 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Andy888 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey y'all, what do you this? Looks struck through to me but error's arent my area of expertise.



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 Posted 10/28/2017  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks more like a lamination flaw to me.
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Yes, but what a flaw..!! You can see the lamination separation between the A and N very well. Want to hear what the error/flaw experts have to say on this nice one.. because there is a lot of material missing on the rest of it..

Interesting to see the "V" almost complete even with so much not there around the top. If also a "struck through"..I also wonder what extra piece could have caused such a strike..

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 Posted 10/28/2017  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyharkin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a penny that looks very similar. Foreign object on die maybe?
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There's enough material missing you should read a slight reduction in weight, .05 to .15 maybe even that much lighter. You can tell it is a pre-strike planchet flaw becuz of the way the imprint weakens as it goes over the edge. If it was after delineation would occur(separation line). Can't be struck thru, they have that definite line of imprint.
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 Posted 10/28/2017  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good point Crazyb0. If it were struck-through, the weight should be normal. A peeled lamination will have missing original metal and should weigh less than normal, especially with one that large.
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 Posted 10/29/2017  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, looks like a lamination peel to me as well .. a deep one.
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What is the weight?
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thanx y'all. I will get a better scale and let you know the weight. Does anyone have an idea on value or rarity?
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thanx y'all. I will get a better scale and let you know the weight. Does anyone have an idea on value or rarity?


If this were a US coin, I'd consider the value added to be minimal at best and nonexistent at worst. Too common, too random. However, not being Canadian, I don't know how it would be perceived at home.
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Not a huge premium - the 1943 tombac strikes are rife with die cracks, lamination peels and other minor errors.
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SSP, I just noticed what seems to be on the OP's coin a planchet alloy problem similar to our "woodies". Or is that just a funky staining? It seems to have minor streaking to right of bust and then left of V. That would indicate improper mixing/separation of alloy ingredients. Further explanation of lam troubles and causes of die faults, Just a maybe...never heard mention of a Canadian Woodie before...?
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I just noticed what seems to be on the OP's coin a planchet alloy problem similar to our "woodies".


I saw that, too. The lines run perpendicular to the lam so I wasn't sure they had much significance.
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Is this not considered a Woodie?
There are a fair number of Canadian Woodies
especially in the earlier years

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This would be a woodie, as this coin is a cupronickel mix, which is probably why it has such a large flaw.
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Ace, I consider error coins such as the "woodie" as just poor mint quality controls, not necessarily a mechanical (or human) malfunction like a clipped planchet or brockages. I would have expected you Canucks to have gone absolutely crazy over the "woodie" like you do over all those "variety within species" versions you've labelled "gotta have to complete a series" varieties!

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(I'm high on the Scottish side, I like to "pik a feet" as my ancestors would say....)

All seriousness aside,...yes the "woodie" here has been debated as to exactly what it it caused by. No solid consensus has been given to my knowledge exactly what had caused the lighter streaks in LWCs, the early years here being more prevalent as well as JimmyD has stated about the early Canadian coins. My thinking falls now after this, to think it was just an unfortunate problem of mixing the alloys and that the assumption that the yellow is nothing more than an incomplete smelting of brass pieces added to the individual run mix. Since these coins are actually a mix(alloy), copper and zinc making a bronze, addition of brass (higher zinc content bronze) if not heated long enough while turning the vat, could well have caused this in the early days of production. Newer forms of smelting introduced in 20th century, allied with better ingredients produced better stock. (You dont think Papa John's invented this idea, do you?). I do find it intriguing about the Tombac mixes, same reason US has "steelies", needed the base metal for bullets, production was rushed and QC levels were ignored to rush products out he door. Hence the errors on the Tombacs. Neat!

After relooking at JimmyDs pictured coin,the coin shown is NOT an alloy woodie. If you notice the fields around the devices are lighter than within the details (N & 08). This is just rubbing wear, not alloy.

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