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Sacagawea"Cheerios Dollar" Non-Pattern Reverse Discovered

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Sacagawea Sacagawea"Cheerios Dollar" Non-pattern Reverse Discovered

Republished with Permission from SmallDollars.com

In April 2008 another astounding discovery was made in the Sacagawea dollar series. A collector, who wishes to remain anonymous, owned not one, but two Cheerios Dollars in their original Cheerios packaging. The owner states, "I got one of the two coins out of a box of Cheerios and bought the other one at a flee market back in 2001-2002 and they have been sitting in my dresser drawer ever since until I found out what they might be worth." Deciding to capitalize on them, he send both to NGC for authentication and grading. Upon their return he was surprised to find that one was not labeled as a "Pattern" as the other one was. Checking the reverse he found that it did in fact not exhibit the detailed tail feathers as the "pattern" piece did.

Concerned if a "non-pattern" Cheerios Dollar was possible or was previously known to exist, the collector contacted smalldollars.com. We in turn contacted accomplished numismatist Tom DeLorey, who was instrumental in the original discovery of the Cheerios "Pattern" Dollar. Being as surprised as we were, Mr. DeLorey contacted NGC to verify the piece.


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In response NGC said, "The report that you received is entirely factual. NGC did receive a Cheerios dollar in original packaging and the coin was not the pattern reverse. This was confirmed by Rick Montgomery and Dave Camire. Dave Camire, in fact, opened the packaging."


WOW! The Sacagawea series never ceases to amaze. Over eight years after their release, a completely new discovery is made. How could this happen? Mr. DeLorey has come up with a possible scenario. Keep in mind that this scenario is pure speculation. We'll probably never know for sure how a "non-pattern" coin was placed in a Cheerios package.


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Mr. DeLorey writes: "Possible scenario: the Mint strikes approximately 5,500 dollars from the pattern dies and send them to General Mills. They package them, and find that some coins were damaged or otherwise spoiled during packaging. Let's guess and say they have 5,400 good ones. They've got enough ready to start stuffing cereal boxes, but because they are obligated to award 5,500 coins (it says so right there on 10 million pre-printed boxes) they have to ask the Mint for a hundred (or whatever) more. This second shipment is filled with coins from the new dies being used to mass produce coins for the Wal-mart rollout. Remember, nobody outside the engraving department knows that a change was made, and the engraving department did not know that 5,500 coins had been sent out early before the change (per my conversation with Tom Rogers). The extra coins get packaged and distributed."


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wow wonder what that thing will sell for?
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Based on that speculation on how the coin ended up in the cheerios would't that mean that the coin is actually just one of the millions of coins released to the general public that year? The only thing that actually makes this different is that it was in the cheerios packaging, which it now is not. What made these coins valuable is that there were only 5500 of them , not that they were packaged in cheerios. That is just how they are identified. If anything this would mean that the cheerios dollars are actually slightly scarcer than originally thought.

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yeah but its the only one that has been found with this reverse with a "Cheerios" label on it and its been certified as such
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Yes but isn't that about the same as finding a mint set where two of the State Quarters are the same? The uniqueness is not with the coin, only with the packaging. Is this a Sacagawea dollar or is it a cereal box collectible?
If Cheerios had accidently labeled one of the Lincoln cents that they gave away as a dollar would that have increased the numismatic value of the cent? Everybody keeps saying buy the coin not the slab, and without the slab (or the cheerios wrapper) this is just another Sac dollar. Everything else is just hype.

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You are correct Richard, the coin is only rare or valuable when it is with the packaging. Without the packaging it is just one of millions. To me the slabbing of the coin and not the coin in the original packaging (if they can do that) distroyed it's potential worth.
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I am not disputing that its the same as a regular Sacagawea dollar, I am just saying that I think if the word spreads that this is the only coin found with the regular reverse that has the "Cheerios" label it would probably sell for stupid money just because of market hype. I guess we will see because the guy said he was getting them graded because of the value of the coins so chances are he did it so he could sell them
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I don't doubt that it will sell for stupid money but thats just what it is, "stupid money". Once the hype dies down and people think about it they should realize that they just paid extra for a coin that is nothing special. Even if packaging errors were good for extra money this is "post mint" packaging. Anyone with one original package, the right equipment, and a bunch of uncirculated Sac Dollars can duplicate this packaging.

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It reminds me of the ebay auction for a bicenenial quarter that was released a month before the published release date.
They want stupid money for a standard quarter of that year, just because of the date someone got it in hand.
It may have been valuable that one month in 75, but now it's just a quarter.
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