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1929 High 9 At Nov 2017 Torex Auction - Not A High 9

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Please check out Lot #702 (Session 2) at:

https://auctions.canadiancoinsandpa...rex-auction#

It is my opinion that this is NOT a High 9. The base of the 9 should be even with the base of the 2 and the 9 should be spaced farther away from the 2 than the other digit spacings. The tail of the 9 is also not tapered like the real High 9 strikes. Do a search on CCF for photos of real High 9 strikes.

Note that the PCGS population report does not list a 1929 High 9 in MS-65 RB, so it is attributed by the consignor/auctioneer, not PCGS (but I have emailed a PCGS contact to confirm this).

https://www.PCGS.com/pop/detail.aspx?c=4299

It is, however, a nice Doubled 9. But, it is NOT the Recut 9 variety (page 300 of the 70th Edition Charlton catalogue on small cent varieties), look at the lower tail. Here is the coin up for auction...

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Here is a real High 9. Zoom in on the photo and compare that one with this one. The tail of the 9 is another giveaway.

http://goccf.com/t/123433
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Thx for the heads up. I also saw that auction listing . Not even close to your beauty
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$2400 plus the juice.
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Good news for the 1929 9/9 variety? Might have to dig out my MS62.

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The coin SPP pictured above - the one which auctioned - is the PCGS plate coin for the Population listing of "regular" 1929's in RB:

https://www.PCGS.com/pop/valueview.aspx?s=30244

Interestingly enough, while researching this post I found an unattributed High 9 in PCGS MS65BN sold at Heritage at what seemed appropriate grade price for the "normal" version, earlier this year. Wonder if the buyer knows what he has.

I also found what seemed to be slight vertical variances in the positioning of that second 9, and seeming differences in the shape of the tail (which may be die and/or punch wear), none of which rose to the level of recognition as "High." I also noted at least three different recut 9's.

A fool and his money are soon parted. Elementary due diligence would have quashed this one.
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Interestingly enough, while researching this post I found an unattributed High 9 in PCGS MS65BN sold at Heritage at what seemed appropriate grade price for the "normal" version, earlier this year. Wonder if the buyer knows what he has.


Yes, he does...
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I also found what seemed to be slight vertical variances in the positioning of that second 9, and seeming differences in the shape of the tail (which may be die and/or punch wear), none of which rose to the level of recognition as "High." I also noted at least three different recut 9's.


Just like the Edward VII and George V large cents, the George V small cents are low hanging fruit for a die study... for someone...
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Yes, he does...


Snerk.


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Just like the Edward VII and George V large cents, the George V small cents are low hanging fruit for a die study... for someone...


Ain't gonna be me. I barely have the concentration to limit myself to one series, much less an individual year. Not to mention insufficient scratch to acquire one Hozillion examples.
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Is this 1 a high or not
and yes is rough

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Just like the Edward VII and George V large cents, the George V small cents are low hanging fruit for a die study... for someone...


With a few hundred (or more) of each date beside me, I'm intrigued. Griffin went over digit positioning with his book though.
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Is this 1 a high or not
and yes is rough


I would say so, by comparison to the images posted by SPP and at PCGS.
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If so then what grade would you think VG8 or F12
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SsuperDdave....

I am sure the Heritage buyer knows what he has......it is now the one in a PCGS High 9 holder.

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I am sure the Heritage buyer knows what he has......it is now the one in a PCGS High 9 holder.


The owner moved fast, then.

The cert number now returns as attributed "High 9." For once, Heritage's images are far more complimentary than PCGS', and show much more contrast even though PCGS imaged it between slabs.
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I saw this too and was gonna post about it but thanks to a busy life and lack of a laptop, I absolutely forgot to! Good to see this thread, love your determination to educate and protect the rest of ccf!


Little side note.. watch out for a high 9 I'll be posting soon
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