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Medal Nova Cesar 1786 ? 1788 ?

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 Posted 11/01/2017  07:24 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add legiux to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
hello everybody, I'm french, sry for my language. I d'ont speack english correctly.

I bought coins several weeks ago and I just came across the nova cesar medal of the year 1786? 1788?

is it a commemorative war medal?

a professional collector in France wanted to buy me € 50.

What is it like medal?

How much is it worth in the state?

its weight is 11.16 grams
Diameter: 28mm


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 Posted 11/01/2017  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its a New Jersey Copper - an early American coin. If genuine, I would put the value at about $75-$100 USD. That takes into consideration that the date is almost unreadable.
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I'm pretty sure it's a 1786 New Jersey, Narrow Shield, Curved Plow Beam. That's a quick check for the match to the date.

I think it's worth $200+ in that condition, if it's real. I wouldn't sell it for less then € 150, as long as you can verify authenticity.

The weight of 11.16 grams is high, but I don't know what the tolerances were for these back in the day.
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 Posted 11/02/2017  05:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lcutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1786 Maris 23-P, pretty nice one too. Definitely worth more than you were offered.
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 Posted 11/02/2017  05:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add legiux to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thx everybody for urs response,

1786 Maris 23-P 9.35 grams
my coin 11 grams


why ? 2 grams of difference
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To those saying "if genuine"... What are you seeing that makes you question its authenticity? Also to the person who said the date is almost unreadable... That logic does not apply to colonial coins. This variety has some weak features as struck. I would say the OP's coin is around Fine obverse and VG reverse. Look up a nice example and you will see a weak reverse and weak date. Nice coin!
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 Posted 11/02/2017  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BigSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
To those saying "if genuine"

I was the first to say, so I will defend my position.
It doesn't look very concerning, however the weight is questionable, and the color seems strange as well.
My main reason, however, was just cautionary. When a poster shares a coin that they assume is genuine, and/or purchased as such, that's one thing. When someone asks about an unknown (to them) item that is worth $100 or more, the chances of a fake are higher. Instead of getting their hopes up, I identified the coin, and let them know that the possibility exists that the coin is not genuine.
Lastly, about the date being unreadable. Thanks for pointing that out. I do think that should still be a factor in saleability. If offered 2 identical coins, one with a clear readable date and the other without.....
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i dont understand my coin is what variety ?

have you got an estimation in dollar/euros and graduation ?

for 11gr.

sincerely,
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legiux: Your coin is a Maris 23-P variety. Regarding value, several people have already provided you a value. It is worth around $200.

I don't know why your coin is "overweight". It should be around 10 grams. Perhaps your scale is off. I do not see any red flags to suggest it is not genuine.
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While these coins have a specified weight, the production methods were crude and weights could vary considerable. The higher weight of this coin would not make me suspicious of it.
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 Posted 11/06/2017  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NH collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There was not much "quality control" back then. I own many New Jersey cents. My lightest is 4.6 grams, while my heaviest is 13.2 grams. The average weight is about 9.7 grams.
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