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Bedrock of the Community
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
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I too bid on this coin, the reverse might have been cleaned.
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I'm seeing technical merit of a good EF but would never trust the surface originality of a coin from that seller.
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Bedrock of the Community
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i thought the reverse was the better side since it seemed to have most of the luster.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
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That's the problem, the Reverse has too much luster.
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Bedrock of the Community
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how do you determine that a coin has been cleaned by having too much luster?  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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The obverse field between the 2:30 and 5 o'clock positions looks to have had some repairs. Most likely some graffiti removal efforts is my best guess.
The coin was not slabbed....THAT in itself is a huge red flag! Just the name of the Seller (Centsles) sets off flashing red lights and sirens in my book!
Be glad your internet crapped out on you!
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Bedrock of the Community
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Thanks westernsky! I made some enhancements to the pics and found the following: OBV: Looks like the coin may have been tooled at 2:30 to 5 o'clock as you suggested of a mark in the shape of a figure 8. Also, the rock liberty is sitting on appears to have a large, deep scratch along its left edge. That wasn't immediately apparent. REV: The firld to the left of the eagle's head appears to perhaps have been tooled to minimize scratches or graffiti. I won't have it in hand, so we wil never really know. Thanks to all for your helpful comments.   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote:how do you determine that a coin has been cleaned by having too much luster? By "Luster" I meant "Shine", when a coin has too much "shine" for the grade, that is usually a good indicator of cleaning, for example, a VF/XF Seated quarter that is very shiny has probably been cleaned. |
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It looks dead and lifeless. The computer issues saved you from making a mistake. From these pics I can't tell if graffiti has removed or not. But why even risk it from a crappy seller? You can go out and find a nice original graded sld in a few months for $750. It just takes patience.
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Bedrock of the Community
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AU-50 or better sharpness, luster aside. I think it's very nice.
Edited by Coinfrog
11/05/2017 2:00 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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EF-45 details. I see at least two large rim bumps on the reverse that have been repaired.
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Pillar of the Community
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The online Seller of this coin is not stupid. If he thought for one second that this coin would straight grade he would have sent it In.
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The online Seller of this coin is not stupid. If he thought for one second that this coin would straight grade he would have sent it In.
I'm surprised it isn't in one of his own NNC slabs. He has no need to spend the money on a real TPG, given the percentage of the buying public he has thinking he's good. |
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Had this one on watch as well....lost interest once it went over $400. Sellers reputation makes me automatically think cleaned/repaired/altered.
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Posted 11/04/2017 8:46 pm
