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Ultimate "Unsearched Wheats" Shootout! (Pics Added)

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 Posted 05/16/2008  05:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great checking of the seller!
I go into really deep checking like that when
I have time. Sometimes I am watching several
auctions, between other activities, OR I get in
on an auction at the last moment, and don't have
time to investigate.

I didn't connect any dots, or contact any bidders/previous buyers...
but I did give the dots to ebay's safe harbor.
I highly recommend others do the same on this seller, and
any others found taking advantage of ebay and it's members.
It helps keep us all just a little bit safer.

Quote:
220233748036
220234119802
220234072402

I think these should be looked at seriously.
(There are a few completed, and this guy is just getting started!)

The seller recently bought a great deal of pennies here.
160232326379
200199354704 (6 purchases)

Then he bought a bank roller...
380010148383

Now he is selling pennies as "bank rolled",
not as "seller rolled".
Pretty easy to connect these dots.
I can't say he "searched" the coins, but it is
pretty clear from his deception that that statement
cannot likely be trusted.
Why would he post the end coins, when he wrapped
them himself, unless he wanted to mislead.

Just so you know, this info is circulating
coin collector forums.
I thought you should know, as did other members.
So you might get more reports...

Thanks for your help.
Dave
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05/16/2008 05:56 am
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 Posted 05/16/2008  06:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I asked seller a question!
We'll see how he answers...


Quote:
How long ago were these coins rolled?
Do you know what bank rolled them?

Thanks!
Dave
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 Posted 05/16/2008  06:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That brings me to another way to determine
if you want to do business with a seller...

Ask well thought out questions before bidding.
I am not saying 'trick questions', but in a way
that is exactly what they are because you already
know how he should be answering.
You can tell alot from direct interaction,
especially when you know more than you let on.

Off topic, but another good test:
Do they accept PayPal?
In my experience, if they don't, they
are often trying to shield themselves from
something. PayPal makes serious promises
to protect the buyer. This makes them rabid
enforcers towards the seller. Bad sellers
learn this quickly when challenged on the
subject of their honesty, and will quickly
withdraw the PP option. Seen it too many times
to ignore it!

Now back to the thread topic!
What was that anyway?!?
JK
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Quote:
How long ago were these coins rolled?
Do you know what bank rolled them?
Thanks!
Dave

Answer:

Quote:
Hey Dave dont know on either account.
thanks for looking and good luck, Rick


Well, we aren't connecting dots anymore!
He just put the whole picture together for us.
Wheat guys, steer clear!
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 Posted 05/18/2008  11:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingdinasaur to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
chrsb, I believe I will be able to document your "dots"! I "won" 12 rolls, (the last two items listed)), from 310porsheguy, today. It shouldn't take long to get here. They are coming from MAlibu, CA, just down the coast from LA, a few miles. I will know if this is the "last wheat to be harvested", by me, at least.
Dick
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 Posted 05/19/2008  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If one could "score" some 1909-1930 Wheats this way.......then I'd be a believer in the "unsearched Wheats" phrase.......but if they're all in the 1930's through 1950's......yup.....not buying it !... (no pun intended!)
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 Posted 05/19/2008  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jeremymh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ya I agree with you eagle foot
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chrsb, and the gang, I got the dozen rolls today, and have inventoried two, so far. The results:
I got my "wheats" today from 310porscheguy. I have inventoried two rolls, so far, and have gotten a pretty good cross section of "P-D-S"'s. The oldest so far is 1930-p. Nine more rolls to check, and I'll let you know how they all turned out. Coins are, (so far), in pretty good shape, ie vg-AU.
Dick
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 Posted 05/20/2008  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dick,

Sound good! I got 2 rolls today I need to inventory also, they were ok. I got more from moorecards, I need to inventory those also.
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Chrsb, you don't think we were "bumping-heads" by any chance? The first two I fot cheap enough, but the last I had to bring out the big guns!:-))) It was worth it tho, as I pulled the FIRST 1933 wheat. Out of the thousands I have, it is the first!
Dick
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 Posted 05/21/2008  08:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dick,

No, I got some rolls from another seller, I am trying to test the waters on a few sellers to see what they have without spending a ton of money. I will try and post my results this weekend, I got a few nice ones to take pics of too, I will try and get that done also.
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 Posted 05/21/2008  09:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
chrsb, just went and looked at Billiec310 sales items and one thing jumped out at me. On the 2nd page, there were listings for a 1909 and teens roll,a 1920 thru 1929 roll and a 1930 thru 1939 roll. Now these were listed as "UNSEARCHED". My question is, how does he know what they are if he has not gone thru them. I find it hard to understand.

Jim
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 Posted 05/21/2008  5:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jeremymh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe he means unsearched by him, though that does mean that they were searched at one time, maybe by whomever he buys from.
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 Posted 05/21/2008  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think they are ALL full of crap.

The last one though got to me as he outright
lied. He buys a bag of wheats, a bank rolling set,
and then has the nerve to pretend the rolls are
old rolls that just turned up.

Sorry, but if the oldest I found was 1930, I'd
be PO'd.
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 Posted 05/22/2008  01:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jim,

Ya he just started those rolls this year, I have not bought any of them as they are to much in my opinion. It is hard to believe last year the rolls would sell for 69 per 6 and not sell some weeks. I remember pulling out 12-S, 13-S, 14-S, etc and did not think it was a big deal as I did not buy a lot of circulated rolls then and thought it was normal to get those.

Dick,

I tell you what, send me your address and I will send you a roll that will blow your mind, you have some of the worst luck in the world if a 1930 is the best you have ever pulled from a roll, I will change that for you!
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