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 Posted 05/13/2008  05:50 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Spedward to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Go into my ebay and this is the screen that comes up:

Have you heard the new, ebay is changing!

From May 21 - You must offer paypal in your listings as well as other permitted payment methods (we all know this)

From 17 June - You will only be able to offer paypal on your listingg and pay on pickup (We all know this)

Bad bit

Pay on pickup CAN ONLY BE OFFERED IN CONJUNCTION WITH PAYPAL. No other payment methods will be permitted. lol?
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 Posted 05/13/2008  07:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Learjet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That just means you must have the OPTION to pay by paypal on pickup. You can still pay cash on pickup if it's okay with the seller.

In any case I would worry about it too much. Since the banks and other large corporations have started objecting to the ACCC about unfair practices, I doubt the paypal only rule will pass.

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 Posted 05/14/2008  01:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amazon99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Doesn't ebay own paypal? Seems kinda wrong that they're forcing everyone to use paypal in their listings...
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 Posted 05/18/2008  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bigfella to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ebay own paypal.

The date on which submission to the ACCC finished 9/5/08. The number of people that object is totally irrelevant. What counts is what the Trade Preactices Act says. The ACCC is on nobodies side. It is their job to apply the legislation to the facts of the case at hand...in this case it is whether Ebays actions to force sellers into paypal only is anti-competitive and if so does the detriment of this behaviour outweight the benefits to the general consumer. If the answer to this is yes...then the public win....if the answer is no then ebay wins.

The common misconception of the ACCC is that if enough complain they will stop the action. This is not the case. They have to be fair and apply the law as it stands. They can however recommend changes to the law if there is enough disharmony in the community and the law does not give what is considered a "fair and reasonable result"....then it is up to the Governemt to do as they see fit.

So I hate to burst any bubble you have about the ACCC. I am on top of the list of people that would like the ACCC to put ebay in their place. Lets see if the law is on our side!!
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 Posted 05/19/2008  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Learjet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The common misconception of the ACCC is that if enough complain they will stop the action. This is not the case. They have to be fair and apply the law as it stands.


The law is already against ebay's unfair trade proposals in the first place. They are applying for exclusion from the law. If no one objects to their exclusion proposal then they will get it, unless there is major objection from the people and other corporations.

In this case I do believe it is a case of numbers.
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 Posted 05/19/2008  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bigfella to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The exclusion to the law they are using is the benefit out ways the negative. Just because on mass people object the exclusion is still part of the law and it is not up to the people to decide. The ACCC has to see if the request for an exclusion fits in to the law that applies to that exclusion. The advantage we have is that thousands of people have put together an argument stating why the the exclusion does not apply. ebay are the only ones putting an argument together stating why it should. It is now up to the ACCC to rule on which argument is the correct one. Lets hope it is us.
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 Posted 05/28/2008  03:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Shep to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nancy wanted me to post this here for those of you who are interested.

Will this site become big enough to take on ebay? They have deep enough pockets. Only time will tell.

Sensis' Trading Post to take on ebay in online auctions

At a time when ebay is attempting to cement its dominant position in Australian market, Telstra's directories arm, Sensis intends to turn its Trading Post classified ads business into an online auction site. Sensis hopes the new https://www.tradingpost.com.au website can successfully compete with ebay and with free listings and low fees it has thrown down the gauntlet to its international rival.

Sensis, which paid $636 million for Trading Post in 2004, claims the move is part of Sensis' strategy to capitalise on the booming online growth of Trading Post. Significantly, the announcement comes at a time when ebay Australia is caught in a midst of controversy over its attempt to enforce PayPal transactions on its user base.

With an estimated 5 million account holders, ebay Australia dominates the highly fragmented local online auctions market with an estimated 34% market share. It faces a barrage of criticism from powerful opponents including the Reserve Bank of Australia, The Australian Banking Association and rival online auction sites over its attempted PayPal move.

Describing the site as a true alternative to ebay, Sensis spokesman Steven Ronchi said that importantly the auction site will be free to list, with a free first photo - Sensis say you only pay when on an actual sale. What's more a mobile version of the site will be available to Telstra mobile users.

Trading Post will also have attractive fee structure for sellers, according to Sensis, with a capped rate of $24.95 on any item over $500, while an item under $10 will cost only 50 cents on sale.

Clearly aware of the furore ebay has created through its attempt to force buyers and sellers to exclusively use its own PayPal service, Ronchi said: "As you know Australian sellers are up in arms over [eBay's] attempt to force them to use PayPal only." He went on to say that Trading Post will provide a full range of payment options including Paymate, bank transfers, credit cards, and so on.

"We've been in discussions with a number of sellers and the response has been overwhelmingly positive", continued Ronchi.

Launching the new website and auction capability, Sensis CEO, Bruce Akhurst said the Aussie icon that Australians have loved buying and selling with for decades - the Trading Post - was entering an exciting new era.

"Introducing auctions opens up enormous opportunities for us to accelerate our growth online and capture a significant new market of buyers and sellers.

"On top of the 2 million people that already use https://www.tradingpost.com.au each month, there are an additional 3.4 million Australians using online auctions that are not currently using Trading Post.

"And while auctions have only just started on tradingpost.com.au, our aim is to build up the number of items available and become Australia's favourite place to buy and sell," he said.

It is this intention to build an auction from scratch that may raise a few eyebrows. Sensis' bid to compete with Google in the search space has not exactly been a scintillating success, although in the mapping area Sensis has done well. A number of local auction sites such as Oztion.com.au, Auctionbidz.com.au, Topauctions.com.au and Bidsell.com.au, among others, may well have served Sensis well as an acquisition.

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/18446/127/
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 Posted 05/28/2008  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is very good news for Aussie residents.

I recommend going to the online article & reading all 3 pages.
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/18446/127/1/0/

"Through our research, we know security is important for many people trading online. Trading Post supports this by requiring people to supply an Australian address to register on our site. Furthermore, our Verified Trader program provides buyers and sellers the opportunity to verify themselves through a free 100-point identity check with Australia Post. That way we can provide people with more confidence they are buying or selling with someone based in Australia," said Mr Akhurst.

This is the final paragraph from P3 of the article:

"Australia and the rest of the world will now be watching to see how ebay Australia responds to the Sensis announcement. The online auction site now finds itself up against some of the heaviest of the corporate heavyweights in Australia, all of whom are playing on the fact that there is much vocal opposition to its clumsy attempt to force PayPal down the throats of Australian online traders."

As Henry Gibson would say - "Verrrry interesting"
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 Posted 06/12/2008  10:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bigfella to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The ACCC issued a draft ruling today. The ACCC defuncts ebays assertion that paypal is the safest form of sending funds for ebay sales. They did not go as far as saying it was unsafe but stated other forms of payment offer the same or better protection for buyers. Because of this they have stated the negative affect of the anti-competitive behaviour is not out weighed by the benefit of safety paypal offers.

The ACCC has therefore asked ebay not to impliment the proposed paypal changes until such time as further submissions are called for to argue for and against the draft ruling and a final ruling is issued.

This should mean that ebay can not implement the changes in Australia on 17 June till at least the final ruling is issued. Assuming the final ruling follows the draft ruling then ebay will have to have a win in court to proceed with the changes.

So far so good for the ebay user.

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 Posted 06/12/2008  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Shep to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the update bigfella. That's great news!
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 Posted 06/12/2008  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Shep to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How ebay trashed its brand for the sake of profits

Angus Kidman12 June 2008, 7:17 PM (16 hours 19 minutes ago.)
The ACCC's rejection of ebay's compulsory PayPal plans is good news for consumers, but ebay's naked grab for cash has done irrepairable damage to the entire online auction market. As APC reported earlier today, the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission has decreed in a draft ruling that ebay's plans to make PayPal the only accepted payment scheme in Australia for everything except for personal pickup transactions would be a violation of competition law. ebay's argument that making PayPal the sole option would reduce fraud was given short shrift by the commission, which argued that consumers were in a better position to judge risk on individual transactions than ebay's management. While ebay can appeal the decision, with only five days until it planned to kick the plan off on June 17, its options appear somewhat limited.

ebay's scheme, first announced back in April, has always been dependent on ACCC approval, although that wasn't always apparent in its aggressive marketing of the plan. And it is that aggression which is likely to be remembered by its most loyal sellers long after the current brouhaha over its now-failed attempt dies down.

When I attended the first public meeting to promote the scheme in Melbourne last month, the thing that astonished me wasn't ebay's ridiculous description of people who rejected compulsory PayPal as akin to drug dealers. Nor was it the company's inability to acknowledge the truck-sized holes in its own security efforts. It was the fact that ebay was so willing to ignore input from loyal sellers who had invested years of effort into selling on the platform, and who knew from direct customer feedback that many people simply weren't interested in registering for PayPal, no matter how much noise was made on the topic.

ebay simply repeated its mantra that its own figures showed that PayPal was safer, no matter what individual sellers may have experienced. It's worth noting that this argument appears to have singularly failed to impress the ACCC, suggesting that the pages of data which ebay had excluded from public display in its submissions were far from convincing. Secrecy notwithstanding, its arrogance ticked people off royally, and I'm not surprised. If I was a regular ebay seller, I'd have wanted to hit somebody, fairly hard.

Almost as disturbing was ebay's unwillingness to acknowledge that if the plan went ahead, it stood to make far more money from individual transactions than is currently the case. The way ebay officials told it, this shift was a public service and money had nothing to do with it. It seems no-one believed the spin, including the ACCC.

That's good news for the many small sellers who didn't want to force their customers to use a single payment method. But it's bad news for ebay shareholders, and not just because they've lost out on a potential effort-free revenue stream from forcing people to use an eBay-owned payment method.

It's bad news because it provides a permanent and irrevocable confirmation that ebay really doesn't give a darn about any of its sellers. Long-term ebay users have long suspected this to be the case, but the PayPal push provided an absolute bucketload of evidence to demonstrate that in the word of ebay, the company comes first, second, and third. Buyers rate a passing mention, and sellers are just a conduit for cash.

That doesn't mean that sellers are going to race off to use alternatives such as the Trading Post, if only because ebay still has the bulk of the eyeballs in this market. But it has delivered a solid kick in the goolies to the concept that ebay sellers will remain loyal to the platform. Given ebay's behaviour, why on earth would they bother?

http://apcmag.com/how_ebay_trashed_..._profits.htm

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 Posted 06/12/2008  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bigfella to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think this article sums things up very well.

1) Paypal has too many holes in it to be considered safe. If you read the submissions to the ACCC it is very apparent paypal is just about the unsafest form of payment any seller can take. Although not spelled out in the draft ruling by the ACCC, the underlying tone is the ACCC also has this belief.

2) ebay is self serving and refuses to lissten to the people that give it revenue. It stands out like dogs balls that ebay does not care at all about sellers.

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 Posted 06/13/2008  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Shep to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
eBay is run by the Ferengi!

Ebay-Paypal-On-Pickup


ebay's new slogan

Sellers are rungs on the ladder of success. Don't hesitate to step on them.
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 Posted 06/13/2008  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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eBay is run by the Ferengi!


That's an insult to the Ferengi.
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 Posted 06/14/2008  01:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
EBay's official response to the ACCC draft notice is to postpone the Paypal-only rule by a month, from 17th June to 15th July.

Apparently, they believe they will have overturned this decision by then.
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