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1965 Dollar Incomplete Clip?

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 Posted 12/11/2017  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As you know, SPP, I am not an error collector but, rather, just an engineer who questions how things are done or put together. I KNOW that the planchet cutter is very sharp. I just can't figure out why, when the planchet is struck by the dies, some of the sharpness is not distorted/peened over or somehow else distorted. It looks like the "cut" happened after the coin was struck, going cleanly through the edge roll, the rim, the beads and the rest of the coin.
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 Posted 12/12/2017  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Because the dies are slightly concave (to promote faster ejection and less sticking, i.e., caps). Being slightly concave, the press produces a radial force from the centre of the planchet outward (which gives us cartwheel lustre). That radial force is equal in any and all directions (in the horizontal plane along the surface of the die) which is orders of magnitude less than the vertical force. Therefore if there is distortion across the face of the coin, it will be radial in fashion and distortion will be equal everywhere from the centre of the coin to the rim.

That deep cut was there, before the strike, on both sides of the coin. It survived the rimming phase (which, where they sometimes do separate and create "football clips"). The rimming phase does "pinch" the partial clip a bit, but when the dies struck the coin, there was not enough metal to pull into the devices (on both sides - equal and opposite forces at play here) but elsewhere, the metal did pull into the devices, more so on the anvil die. When you look at the devices where they intersect that cut with a 10x or stronger lens, you see that it is not a sharp, post-mint cut, but a short thinning. Sort of like how rims dovetail into a clipped coin.

The blanks are not cut entirely. If you examine the edge of a clipped coin or a Type I planchet, you see that the blank is partially cut, then the rest is removed from the rolled metal sheet by shearing. In these examples, the cut was made, but not sheared off the rolling stock. Someone then readjust the strip feed and the blanks were then punched, again, incorporating the partial cuts. Sometimes one side will be sharper (cutting side) than the other side (shearing side).

I took engineering in school too Bill, for almost three years... but I found it too boring, so I switched to geology!!
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 Posted 12/12/2017  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I just made ships run and knew how to repair them. I was a Naval (Marine) Engineer with a degree in mechanical and spent nearly 20 years (of my 31 in the military), either at sea or running/working a shipyard as an officer ... after 10 years in Electronics (my enlisted rate). Now I just collect Vickies and ask questions on coin sites.
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 Posted 12/12/2017  6:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's some relevant reading:

http://www.error-ref.com/incomplete-punch/

Pay particular attention to the Cent blank at the bottom, illustrating just how broad and deep the incomplete punch can be before striking. It helps one to understand how much of the original semicircle is obliterated by the strike, and why the details on the struck coin appear as they do.
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 Posted 12/12/2017  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a fun one... an incomplete clip, and a clipped planchet, all in one coin.

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 Posted 12/13/2017  12:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnnysprawl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very cool!
And thanks for the explanation SPP
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 Posted 08/20/2018  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnnysprawl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Update.
I put 'incomplete punch' on the order form, but...


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Johnnysprawl, that's an awesome error coin! It looks great in that slab!
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