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Silver Eagles- What Is A Fair Price..?

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Every year I hear the same fight. One side say that the dealers are charging too much while the other side says there's no profit as it is.

What do you think a fair price should be for a 2005 Silver Eagle single.?

What do you think a fair price should be for a 2005 Silver Eagle roll of twenty.?

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 Posted 02/20/2005  08:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zakgold to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is just me...Take London closing (P.M.) prices and add $2 to $3 for each ounce. After all, you can't buy raw gold, silver, platinum and palladium at spot. Broker's fees, transportation, handling, processing, packaging all have to be paid.

For the roll, since you are buying in bulk...deduct $.50 for each coin (less handling and packaging).

Considering the weight, low cost, inventory space, etc., there really is not much money in it. Unless you are hedging and playing the future's market, why would you ever want to sell SAE's?
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 Posted 02/20/2005  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add catman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Zakgold,

What does all that translate to Dollars and cents for a 2005 Silver Eagle?

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Price I am paying, at this time, is $8.75. A roll will save you just a little but compared to many national dealers this is a decent price as many sell for $8.60 but there is shipping on top of that. While the Eagle is a very beautiful coin and I do have a few full sets (as a collector) I also use them to "bank" some of my money away and should need arise I can convert them to cash very quickly. I have found this is by far an easier way to save money, being a coin collector, than trying to keep money in the bank where, like it or not, you are providing a paper trail and setting yourself up for more taxes at the end of the year on money you have already PAID taxes on once! I don't buy the eagles expecting to make money (do wish I had a truck load of 96's) but put them away for any "moments of need" that might occur in the future and I don't get attached to them and have a problem letting them go like I would the coins in my official coin collection, whether it be classics, moderns or world coins. Once they enter my collection it is tough to see them go and the ones I have sold in the past have brought deep regrets when I attempted to locate and purchase them again! DON'T SELL KEY DATES---THEY COME TO HARD!
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Overall, I have found that uncirculated SAE's can be had for around $10.00. Though I have seen some that go cheaper in the $8 range.

In that case, Zakgold's formula is right on the money. Silver closed on Friday at $7.37. Add $2-$3 to that and you get $10.

I agree with Zakgold as far as selling these. They're simply too much time for way too small a return. Dealers are NOT getting these much cheaper than the retail market buys them for.
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 Posted 02/20/2005  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zakgold to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by catman

Zakgold,

What does all that translate to Dollars and cents for a 2005 Silver Eagle?

catman



I like Kitco's web page for all of my precious metal pricing: http://www.kitco.com/ They seem to have the best site for current and past pricing.

Since Friday's pricing for silver was around $7.30, if I were a dealer, I would have to charge at least $9.13 per SAE unit (that's with a 25% markup from spot) plus S&H to you to cover my costs. Now, all of the mentioned costs for selling, administration, inventory have to be covered in this 25% markup and you can see, there isn't really that much room left for a dealer to make any money...which is then going to be taxed at least 50% (30% to the Feds, 15% to F.I.C.A, plus any applicable state taxes).

Pleae don't get me going on taxes as there has never been a civilization that has taxed themselves into prosperity. As Lincoln said, "You cannot make the poor rich by making the rich poor." That's another subject altogether!

This is also one of the reasons why you didn't see that many SAE's at the FUN show in Florida. You would think that with over 400 booths, you would easily find sellers peddling SAE's. Far from it because the space they took up, the weight, and the small margins made was NOT worth the hassle of bringing these to the show.

Of course, costs can be deferred in S&H to a point. Just like those ads that offer FREE computer CD's, but whack you $6.95 for S&H...or those tire stores that charge $29.99 per tire, but then hit you up for balance, enviromental, mounting, etc. fees.

Add it up and see if it is worth it per unit.

Ed

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Here is a very simple rule. Silver spot + $1.25 plus any shipping or handling. Most dealers only trade in Bullion for the sake of the customer. Bullion is a very active market and 99% of the time is done with very small margins. On the high side, dealers can make 60 cents an ounce. On an average day it is closer to 25 cents an ounce. These coins are hot in the beginning and end of the years, the rest of the time it is simply time consuming. Let us not forget that time equals money.
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 Posted 02/21/2005  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add catman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ND,

I will go along with you on this one. I feel that most people, including collectors, don't really understand the cost behind gettin the silver eagle form the mint to them. I never complain about being charged $10.00 for a new silver eagle.

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For 11.50 the local dealer here will let me look until I find the coin I want,,I have yet to feel that Ive over paid for this service ,,

Rick
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