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Cent Grading "Red"

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So is there an official definition of whats "RED" or not? I mean I see BU used very loosely alot and now that I am lookin @ Lincoln Cents I am seeing "RED" tossed out there as well but I dont even know what it is supposed to indicate about the copper coin?
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red is the bright newly look of a copper cent, when they age a little they are called Red/Brown then when they are really aged with the elements they turn solid brown
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There is no official definition of Red "RD". It's odd because full mint luster is more orange than red but RD is what is used to define "as minted" color for modern coppers.

Copper is very reactive and quickly begins turning brown "BN" if exposed to the environment. Hence Red-Brown "RB" for those strarting to age not so gracefully.

Most older, circulated coppers are brown "BN". I find brown cents to be more attractive than "RB" but that's just me.

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Don't listen to most ebay sellers. I've seen tons and tons of red/brown and even brown coins called BU. For a coins to truely be BU, it must be 100% red.
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the "definition" that is used by the legitimate grading companies is..

RD refers to 95-100% of mint luster still present
RB refers to 5-95%
BN refers to 0-5%

"brown" actually means any color other than untoned orange

by not requiring exactly 100% of the luster to remain, the grading standards allow very minor discoloration, for example, a few small isolated spots of toning on an otherwise new-looking coin.
brown cents may or may not have some luster, but limited to protected areas around letters or in between details of the devices. the fields are usually completely without luster.
red-brown is simply in between red and brown
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The color designation can have an enormous effect on the value of a cent. It's not unusual for red/brown cent to sell for HALF of the price of a full red coin. Brown coins can go for hALF the price of red/brown cents.
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And all those red cents sold at a premium will turn brown. It's just a matter of how long it takes.
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what if the coin is in airtight holder it wont change color, will it?
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It depends on whether it actually is an airtight holder.
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Actually I found it really odd at a coin show I went to a seller was asking more for brown and red brown then he was for red.
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Quote:
RD refers to 95-100% of mint luster still present
RB refers to 5-95%
BN refers to 0-5%

Make that original color instead of mint luster and I will agree with you. Luster and the color have nothing to do with each other and you can have brown coins that still have full cartwheel luster.
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