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South Africa
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Hi, Not sure of this coin is real. Suppose to be Silver. We did the ice and magnetic test and it passed, however, a coin dealer insists it's fake because of its good condition. How can I tell if this is real or fake?   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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New Member
 South Africa
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Thanks for your reply. May I ask on what basis have you made this conclusion? Just want to understand more.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Weak/flat details, surface appearance, fuzzy lettering
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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All I know re fakes of European crown sized silver coins is what I have read about:
"most European crown sized silver coins have been faked" (about as much as *almost all American gold coins have been faked).
* another printed quote.
A good reason to ask in this thread.
Alas, I don't have any experience in this area, but I would love to examine this coin in hand, just to learn.
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New Member
South Africa
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The coin also ways in 26grams.
When I read online about how to spot a fake coin it says that one should do the following tests, weight, magnetism and ice, all of which passed.. which leads me to wonder, is this coin true OR did someone go through all the effort to replicate all the variables. I can't seem to find anything online as to how thick the edge should be, that would influence the Relative Density for the silver and thus allowing calculations to be made. The Coin is 2mm thick, 45mm wide (round) and 26grams.
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New Member
South Africa
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I just used a more accurate scale. Weighs 27.19grams
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 United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Some fakes are made of the correct material, which renders all of these tests rather useless. At that points it's good to do a visual comparison with a genuine example from a reputable dealer or auction.
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01/16/2018 01:49 am
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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The fields look a little pasty to me, but
I am happy to stand to be corrected.
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 United States
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I'm a little late to the party ... The 1643 Danzig city view thaler is scarce enough that I couldn't find an image of a real one. However, here is the OPs coin and a 1642 Thaler from Danzig that sold at auction in 2013. There are some minor differences in the obverse design (such as SUE vs SVE in the legend) which are accurate, but I agree the amount of detail is not as it should be. Finally, there are admitted modern copies of this coin being sold on ebay (and elsewhere on the web)   Edited by tdziemia
06/29/2018 6:10 pm
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Australia
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"Some fakes are made of the correct material, which renders all of these tests rather useless. At that points it's good to do a visual comparison with a genuine example from a reputable dealer or auction."
Dw just cut the coin in halve to check if it is real or not .... hehhe. If you want to be very sure I either bring it to a expert that specializes in these types or use machine that can give specific density or a ping/frenquence/ultrasound test
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