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"Muerta Huerta" Stamp On 5.10 & 20 Pesos 1915 Chihuahua Notes

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I recently acquired the three notes below with a "Muera Huerta" stamp on them. I have learned that Muera Huerta means Death to Huerta (Victoriano Huerta) and was Pancho Villa's war cry during the Mexican Revolution. However, I could not find reference to these stamped notes anywhere. Has anyone seen them before? Do you think they are contemporary or a modern addition? I would be interested in your thoughts on rarity and value as well. Hopefully there is a Mexican Revolutionary Note expert out there!






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There was coinage issued by the State of Durango dated 1914 that bore the "Muera Huerta" exhortation. One such was discussed here in this thread:

http://goccf.com/t/225932

I'm by no means any sort of "expert" on notes of this era. While I'd like to believe that these stamps were added while the sentiment was still pertinent, there's an obvious problem with that hypothesis. These are Series 1915 notes plus there are dates on the backs of them that also would be subsequent to Huerta's resignation from office on 15 July 1914, and thus would correspond to the period when he was already in exile. So what would've been the point of yet calling for his death?



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You would need to post a high resolution scan at 20x of the overprint to be able to analyze the printing method.
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Lucky Cuss, although that wasn't the answer I was hoping for, it's hard to argue with your logic. lettow, I attempted execute your request by cropping the "M" for each of the three notes. Not sure if that fulfills what you were looking for, but hopefully so. Thanks again for your help and knowledge.


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Based on these scans the 5 and 10 peso overprints were done on an inkjet printer. The ragged edges are telltale signs of this.

While not as pronounced as the others, the 20 peso also looks like inkjet. The buildup around the edges like you see on the left leg of the M is a characteristic of rubber stamp or letter press printing. However, both of these would exhibit smoother lines also.
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Hello. I am from Mexico. This topic is very interesting. I have special interest in this since I have a couple of "6 stars, without eagle, Muera Huerta coins". I also have a token "M. Huerta". Both of your theories exposed on these bills with the legend "Muera Huerta" are interesting. One of them questions the authenticity on the grounds that Huerta had already resigned as President. The other mentions the possibility that they would be messages printed with an inkjet printer. The first time I saw these bills was about 15 years ago. I saw them for the first time at a numismatic convention in Mexico City. Antonio Guerrero had them for sale. I think the bills are authentic. Let us remember that after Huerta resigned as President he went to the United States where he was arrested for having negotiated with the Germans during World War II. It is very likely that people have found out about this situation and have stamped the legend "Muera Huerta" on these low-denomination banknotes. On the other hand, the stamps do not seem to me to be the result of an inkjet printer but rather a rudimentary manual press. However, this is just my opinion. I think the best thing to do is go to a postage stamp expert and ask if the ink and printing method correspond to the time. I experienced a Titanic boarding pass with Carlos Fernandez (now deceased). He was the postage stamp expert in Mexico and he told me that the boarding pass: 1) was printed on vintage paper, 2) was printed in vintage ink, and 3) the printing method was also vintage (early twentieth century). Greetings.
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Thank you javilavis for the information. Although we may never know for sure, I do believe that the imprints are from a time appropriate stamping method versus a modern inkjet printer. Since I acquired the notes in 2018 I have tracked on ebay any similar items. I have only seen two others up for sale, so I do beieve these are most probably authentic to the time period and not mass produced modern fakes. Hopefully, someone else may have additional information to share. Thanks again!
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Hello "living in the past". I personally know Antonio Guerrero, the one who was selling those notes when they appeared for the first time. I can not remember how many notes he had but maybe 5 of each denomination. So I think there are few of them. And he knows much about numismatic. I have never heard he sells false pieces. On the contrary he tries not to buy false pieces. Thanks.
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Well, that is definitely a great endorsement for their authenticity. It would be interesting to find out where Antonio Guerrero obtained his small hoard of these notes. I obtained my three notes at a local coin shop. They had purchased them as part of an advanced Mexican banknote collection they obtained in 2017. Thanks again!
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