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1891 Eritrea 5 Lire Thoughts?

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This thing look authentic to you?
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definite FAKE
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@dulitu, just so that I can learn a little, could you please point out a couple of the distinguishing features (e.g. wire rims, wrong font on numerals in date, or whatever) that allow you to make this determination so emphatically? Obviously, you don't need to go through an exhaustive list, but just a couple would be nice. Thx!
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Sheldon Overton Baby I agree - a FAKE - or more properly a Numismatic Forgery produced to deceive collectors.

Spence You ask:


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How do you know?


The best answer is experience with the way coins made in Rome look at the time. Not a great answer, but a true one. Here is a genuine example for comparison.

Note the roll near the edge - a feature that is usually seen in relation to dies made with image transfer techniques. That is something that can be seen on high speed modern presses at times with worn dies, but Rome used a slower press and got far superior strikes.

Second there is a very narrow near wire rim.

Third the central detail is missing - this what is often referred to as mushy detail.


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Chinese chunky junk.
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Thanks @SB!
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Swamperbob is 100% right.

This is a very high dollar coin when found in Mint State. Also, this is a very popular type amongst forgerers. Those two factors alone merit extreme scrutiny. If it's listed on ebay, the odds are quite good that it's a forgery.

As for this coin in particular, there are many things that immediately stick out:

1. Missing denticles that are clearly visible in SwamperBobs original image
2. Mushy detail
3. Missing detail inside the knot of savoy (Knot above the middle "L" of Tallero)
4. I couldn't get over this one - the horribly disfigured "8" in "1891"
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