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1964 Kennedy Half Is This Master Die Or Doubled Die

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I have no experience with half dollar doubling, so just putting this out there. Coin is a proof silver 1964-P Kennedy half (accented hair). Wondering if there is a doubled die here or just some master doubling. Sorry the pics were shot through the slip as coin is very nice and not really any reason to take it out unless, well, there is a reason. Any help would be appreciated.


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 Posted 01/18/2018  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chopped Triumphs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think MD.. I could be wrong though. Ill wait for one of the experienced people to chime in.
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01/18/2018 5:36 pm
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 Posted 01/18/2018  5:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like MD to me a well.
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 Posted 01/18/2018  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Skitter strike. A little MD. But I can see why you would ask.
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I have to disagree, I believe it's a DD, but I have been known to be wrong!
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Interesting so far. If I saw those notches and separation lines on a Lincoln I'd be hard pressed not to call it a DDO. I see endless MD on Lincolns and it pretty much doesn't show up like this does on the Kennedy. So, while I don't plan on switching to Kennedy's anytime soon I would like to understand why this is MD. I did check a couple of actual DDO's before I posted and they seem to have pretty similar separation in pretty similar locations and thus I figured I'd just better ask of those who know far more than I.

Thanks for the answers and help!
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 Posted 01/18/2018  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely hub doubling. Whether it is a doubled die or a doubled master die, I can't tell you, I don't know much about half dollar varieties.
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There is a single doubled master die listed for 1964 proof in Wexler's catalog but I don't know what it looks like to compare it.
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Looks like a doubled die. I searched a roll of business strike '64 halves and found 3 doubled dies that showed notching on IGWT so I think minor doubling like yours is fairly common.
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Looks like both md and dd to me.
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On the reverse the FG looks doubled but the stars seem to have four of them clearly visible.


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I would absolutely call it Doubled Die
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If it is a proof, it looks like WDDO-002. Doubling is similar, and it references some master die doubling on the obverse, which is what it looks like. http://doubleddie.com/1598977.html
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Well done CoinColletor2000! Die marker is there and it is clearly a quadruple double die reverse WDDR-002 (FS-802) with master die doubled obverse WMDO-002.

Thanks all for the help, it is greatly appreciated. Gonna have to think about sending for grading as it looks pretty darn nice.
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I believe the obverse doubling is just minor, but the reverse would be the CONECA listed 64PR DDR-003 (4), also FS-50-1964-802 in the Cherry Pickers Guide.
http://varietyvista.com/Variety%20M...s%201964.htm
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