Actually, It's An Uncatalogued 4r Variety...

Making progress, eh? If you READ the info in the prior posts... note the iCollector links.

to the Community, acanthite!

Thank you for stopping by with the update.

No offense bud, but that loupe you're using isn't going to tell you very much. You're going to need some better magnification. Besides, looking through a loupe without knowing what to look for is not very helpful to begin with.

Reales in general scare me, especially the pillars, so I stay away because I wouldn't even begin to know what to look for. Comparing to originals is what always did the trick for me. I remember the first forgery I caught... I had a coin in my possession I swore was authentic (correct weight for wear, perfect size and thickness, non-magnetic) until a bought a second sample months later (an authentic one) and when I looked it at them, especially the edges, side by side it was like looking at a lemon and an orange... night and day.

acanthite (Brad), thanks for dropping in... figured someone might reach out.

I hadn't realized there were other dates. I could only find/had only seen the one 1756 and this 1758 aside from the multiple 1757 pieces. So now, of course, I'm looking through... here's that 1754, which they did in fact withdraw, undoubtedly from someone's prompting (along with one of those C. III Santiago 4R fakes):
https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?...&lot=1271991
http://www.coinfactswiki.com/wiki/M..._MM_4_reales

That very piece, as shown, is currently plated for that date's entry on coinfactswiki. Brad, you obviously have contributed there (!)... can you get that taken care of? Better yet, maybe add a genuine example but leave that one as reference, attributed with its true nature?

Beyond that... sure enough, here's a 1759:
https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?...&lot=2375324
(full size pic: https://www.soleryllach.com/subasta...3/0390q.jpg)

And while we're at it, this 1747 came up in the search. Not the same prototype, but clearly of the same ilk:
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1050151

Also, did you see the 1750 fake from a few months back? The post was linked on Page 1 of this thread. One of the twins got graded NGC XF40 and was in the Stack's pillar grouping this past August.
http://goccf.com/t/300594

I've removed the one from coinfactswiki, don't remember if I put that one in or not originally. I wish I had looked back at the A&C auction and seen earlier that it had been withdrawn, then I would not have used it in the book. Unfortunately I know of no other example (1754 4R MM). Gilboy, Cayon, and Pellicer I Bru all list it but there is some doubt. If anyone seeing this thread knows of a genuine one I would certainly like to see it.



Yes, that is spot on, same dies.




That die pair has come up four times in my work, always looks spotty and suspect.




There are a number of 4R from 1750 and 1751 that look odd to me, and few die pairs to compare across. I will give that a closer look since it has come up in this thread. There is a fake of 1751 that I cataloged previously.

I must thank realeswatcher for putting those photos in the OP. Seeing the three examples together really nail the fake type.

Also, for anyone using weight and edging to validate coins, there are plenty fakes around with correct weight and edging.