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Paper Money Serial Number Pricing Guide

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 Posted 02/19/2018  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Proof Nut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bid is up to $650.00 now with an estimate of $1500.
Lots of eye candy but too rich for my blood!
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 Posted 02/19/2018  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheBurnz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
seriously, I was looking at the hoard coins and they have reached max value already. I love this auctions booklet tho, very nice.
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 Posted 02/19/2018  4:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pokermandude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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P.S. A US FRN with that serial number is valued at $4000 in Azpiazu book.


A US FRN note also has 8 digits in the serial number, not 7. Making it about 1 in 10 million, vs the Canadian 1 in one million.
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 Posted 02/23/2018  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheBurnz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Auction is tonight. Current winning bid is $1500 + premium and tax to be added. Yikes!
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 Posted 02/27/2018  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheBurnz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Final hammer price at $1947.00 premium included.
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I would stay away from most of the rare (desirable) notes on that auction site. Try to find another way to purchase notes your interested in.

As I eluded to in a few posts on the former CPMF; it seems to attract far too many clueless people with deep pockets. I started looking at some of their rare coins & RCM products and the same can be said for those (often estimates are extremely liberal).

However, having stated that, sometimes the rules can be thrown out the window (a little) for: solids, errors, 1935 $25/$20, some Devil's Face, and 1937 Osborne notes. Its perfectly understandable for the solid radars, 35's & Osborne notes as they're all hard to find in original condition but the catalogue is pretty generous with these too (so don't go anything 10% above book). Devil Face notes are not that rare, and unless a special number, don't go over book. Errors, devils and solids can be extremely popular & collected by non-collectors (thus the crazy prices). Avoid getting into that.

It really is pointless to get into a bidding war on an auction site that charges 18%. The $100 solid 8 went for double what it should have gone for so the winner will need to keep it for about a decade (or more) to recover his/her costs. I know several avid radar collectors who wouldn't even give that note a look because its too high denomination.
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 Posted 04/30/2018  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheBurnz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, especially this $100 note, it was in EF condition. In my short time in this hobby, I have seen some crazy amounts when it comes to solid radars in UNC conditions.

I think when it comes to solids, especially the older notes 1954 (even modified notes) and older. Prices are way up, because collectors just don't see them for sale. I had a gentleman buy one of my solids radars from 1954, for more then asking price, because he was so happy he had finally had found it after 10 years of searching.

I agree tho, I have bought from this sight in the past but as my knowledge grows and my awareness of market value grows as well, I haven't been able to buy from them in the last three auctions.
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 Posted 05/01/2018  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add walk2dwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I agree, especially this $100 note, it was in EF condition.


Yes, exactly, and think of all the collectors who don't buy any note that is in less than UNC! So- WAAAY overpriced IMO. If you're going to pay around $1000 for a note you should inspect it yourself (or it should be graded original/EPQ from respected TPG).

And keep in mind (from posts/comments on Third Party Grading or TPG we saw recently on the former CPMF) that there are a lot of notes out there labelled as UNC (witn no EPQ or Orignial) designation. These are pressed (or slightly processed) notes that are graded as UNC (not to mention the ones the auction houses are calling "uncirculated") when it is ORIGINAL Uncirculated that the Book Value refers to (& majority of collectors are searching for).
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 Posted 05/01/2018  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KHatt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
J&M in Vancouver is a dealer in Vancouver that deals in solid notes and radars, etc. Their website is jandm.com
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 Posted 05/02/2018  07:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheBurnz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
New website. jandmcoins.com (Thanks for the info.)
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 Posted 05/02/2018  08:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheBurnz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That site has some issues they posted this note as a solid...






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 Posted 05/02/2018  1:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add friedsquid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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"I am interested in paper money with solid serial numbers and low serial numbers"
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As a collector of Canadian Banknotes for almost 50 years and bricking for over 30 years I can tell you that finding low serial numbers in Unc or better condition is difficult to say the least.
Personally, I feel that low serial numbers are under valued in the CHarlton catalogue, but this is my opinion
For example, a $5 radar (Journey Series) is priced at $45 and a low serial # under 999 is $55...
There is never a difficulty in finding radar notes on ebay, at dealers tables or elsewhere, yet try to find low numbers it is much more difficult
As far a # 1 notes go I collect them, but have always been fortunate to find them at face value through bricking, as well as solids etc. but having sold a few #1's I always get much more than catalogue prices.
The bottom line is that there are not many collectors looking specifically for these notes, but those that do realize there worth and are willing to pay top dollar...the other thing I have noticed that it is more often the case that once a so called "throphy" note makes it in to ones collection they rarely appear on the market for a long time, if at all.


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"Personally, I feel that low serial numbers are under valued in the CHarlton catalogue, but this is my opinion
For example, a $5 radar (Journey Series) is priced at $45 and a low serial # under 999 is $55...
There is never a difficulty in finding radar notes on ebay, at dealers tables or elsewhere, yet try to find low numbers it is much more difficult"


Totally agree! (I rarely find low #) And for me- that's what I love about collecting. This presents an opportunity to pick up some rarer (low # notes) at a fantastic price if the seller is going by the book. But I think most sellers know the book is unrealistic on low # and overly optimistic on "inserts." However, having said that, we all must try to keep in mind that the book is simply a guide which gives us a ballpark figure to go by (in terms of a note's value). Realistically, there's far more factors at play- most importantly - the eye appeal of a note. For instance, I've never seen a 0001000 note go for the price of a 2 digit radar. Why? Who can't resist all those zeros (not to mention that it technically is borderline low).

But then again, I feel radars (particularly in the later series) are over valued in Charlton. And right now, other than Journey/Frontiers polymers, everything on the online auctions seems vastly over priced. Anyway "Friedsquid" I bow to your 50 years of experience (I've only got 36) and welcome any more insight. Especially since there's been 3 or 4 posts posted here since I started writing this!
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 Posted 05/04/2018  08:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheBurnz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will add that the above statements to be true on rarity of low and solids in EPQ or PPQ grade. I search daily and find these notes often but in low grade and some ungraded. Because of these values I am surprised we don't see many forgeries of these notes. Maybe because, the eye will look harder when a serial number as a solid or low is present, so the forgoers stick with mixed numbers in the SN's.
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 Posted 05/05/2018  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add walk2dwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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" Because of these values I am surprised we don't see many forgeries of these notes. Maybe because, the eye will look harder when a serial number as a solid or low is present, so the forgoers stick with mixed numbers in the SN's."

- Yes, forgers, like thieves, prefer a low profile and do not want attention to their "handy-work." They'll put a serial number that looks ordinary. They don't want people to scrutinize their fakes. So it would be unwise for them to create forgeries of $100 & $1000 notes too (they don't want the person taking the note to look over it too carefully) so, typically, they stick to lower denominations (($5, $10 or $20). I've seen $50 & $100 but I believe they prefer to stick to $20.

What is most noticeable (for me) on a fake is the serial number- the fake usually has a font that is all wrong...

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