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Question Regarding A Roty Medallion Commemorating Angelo Mariani

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 Posted 02/10/2018  7:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Squire Wilson to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Dear CCF members

I have attached the picture of a coin (or jeton) that I bought recently as I just love the artwork on the reverse and also the historical character on the obverse. I have found out that it was created by the engraver Oscar Roty and commemorates the chemist Angelo Mariani. This chemist mixed Bordeaux wine with coca leaves to produce a stimulating drink much prized by European royalty and the Pope. A forerunner of Coca Cola .

It would be great if CCF members would have more information about this piece. Was it a commemorative medallion, or a token?
Also, when was this current. I suspect sometime in the 19th or early 20th century

Thank you

Squire

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 Posted 02/10/2018  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I went to Google Images, (often do that for id. of medals):
'Angelo Mariani medallion by O. Roty'.
Saw the same medallion on Google Images,
search came up with Wikipedia on Angelo Mariani, but nothing on the medal.

Wiki does not tell anything more than what you have already told us.


I guess that coke and alcohol in combination have been used long before Mariani thought of the idea
He just tried to commercialize it.
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 Posted 02/10/2018  11:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And just what do you think "COCA"-cola originally stood for in the 1890's? Duh!
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 Posted 02/11/2018  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Squire Wilson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the feedback sel69I and Crazyb0

Yes,I searched the internet and although I found a picture of the obverse of the coin / medallion / token ? yet there was no other information. Hence I hope that there may be somebody on the Coin Community Forum who has a similar medal.

True, combining alcohol with coca leaves may well have been part of South American indigenous culture. I believe a South American alcoholic drink is masato. Google this and see how it is made
You could also check up "Agwa de Bolivia"
However, I think that combining coca leaves with Bordeaux wine is original..

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 Posted 02/11/2018  08:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add alganbagerap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I used to have a rectangular version of this medal, but haven't kept pictures. You can see one here with lots more info:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin_Mariani
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Thanks for referring me to the web link alganbagerap
According to this reference the rectangular version of this medal is dated 1895, with inscription "O nymph Vin Mariani will save him* but beware of your heart".

* I think this refers to the little boy on the lady's bosom as shown on the obverse of the medal.

However, I am still mistified about the purpose of the piece that I have presented in the first post of this topic. Was it a medal, or a token? If so, who was it given to?
If it was a token then maybe it enabled the bearer to exchange it for some Coca Wine at the local "Angelo Mariani's Coca Wine Shoppe"?

Also, when was the token made - a similar time to the rectangular version of the medal, i.e. 1895?

These facts are still unclear to me...

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I am a real sucker for Art Nouveau, though I don't collect medals and tokens with very few exceptions.

Nice item, and as others have mentioned, the square rendition dates from turn of the century (the last one), so I guess same is true here? I don't know why there would be a more modern reprise of a modest item like that ...

A recent auction listing for the square version did not fetch the opening bid of 150 eu, (though I don't think that's what you care about anyhow):
https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotv...4cbbb5fa371f

Again, nice eye for a lovely and interesting Art Nouveau piece.


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