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I just got this today (Live Auction). Does anyone know how rare this is for this year? At 80.00 hope I got a deal!   Thanks Edited by jeffreyice1
06/13/2008 7:47 pm
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Unfortunately, it appears that the reverse was simply ground off.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Boy, your quick to judge. I don't even have the coin in hand yet from the auction. Do you have examples of this so I can see?
And how is it there is a perfect circle in the center? I doubt anyone could create this with a grinder without a computer. Even a lathe you could not hold the coin and do this!
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06/01/2008 12:35 am
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Thats nice if it was flat on the back and not raised in the middle! It just does not fit!
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Even a lathe you could not hold the coin and do this! Coins are ground off like that all the time for love tokens. They can be ground tremendously accurately with the right lathe. That's how they make magicians coins and the tolerances are very precise since one coin has to fit flush inside another perfectly. |
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I am a magician, I know how the coins work. All of them (Hollow) are stamped on a mold and hollow! Again a lathe could not do this. A computer tathe could! But from the look of the coin there was no way this was done with a computer! And it would be an extream waste of time for someone to do this to one coin!
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06/01/2008 12:53 am
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All of them (Hollow) are stamped on a mold and hollow! Well.... you're wrong. They are hollowed out on a lathe. Quote:
Usually the owners protest, suggesting that their coin is "different" - they studied the edge closely and there is no seam to suggest that two coins had their reverses (or obverses) filed down and glued together.
However, "magicians coins" are not made that way, and unless one knows what to look for, are very difficult to detect. The place to look is not on the edge, but on the inside of the design rim on either side of the coin. This is because one side is comprised of a lathed out or hollowed out coin shell and the other side is made from a coin lathed around its circumference and reduced in thickness to fit snugly inside the shell. I'm pretty sure PCGS and Ken Potter know what they're talking about. |
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And it would be an extream waste of time for someone to do this to one coin! No it's not, it's called a scam. We see grind, vice, and glue jobs on this forum all the time. |
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Three people I would trust have already chimed in with the same answers, and my answer is the same as theirs only by having seen the images of the coin - that's not a mint error. Period.
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The coin is , as mentioned above not a Mint Error, Coins are ground down this way to be made into buttons. They are sometimes attached to a backing, sometimes a loop is soldered on to the back. What you are looking at is one of the first steps in the process.
Thanks,
Bill
PS: You would be surprised at what some people do to coins just to waste time:-)
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06/01/2008 01:09 am
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Look, I'm not disagreeing with the majority, actually I am, I just see no way this was produced this way on this coin. http://www.bakercoins.net/learn/art...wo.head.htmlI'm not trying to create an any problems I just really don't believe that this can be created in this fashion. All I can say is wait and lets see what it looks like when in hand and can really get the low down on what it is instead of just assuming that its a fake! Thanks |
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Well please offer up an explanation on how it's a real mint error. Did they put a blank die in the press?
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Hi,
What it really boils down to is that you bought a damaged coin that is partially corroded for $80.00. If the person selling it mis-advertised it, get your money back. Some of the best error/variety people in the country responded to your post.
It's just damaged. It could have been made in any of a hundred different ways with any of a dozen tools or mechanical devices. It is not, however any kind of Mint error.
Thanks,
Bill
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06/01/2008 01:21 am
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I am working on getting answers, Will let you know shortly!
Thanks again!
PS Just for fun what does a press look like without the Die in place?
Edited by jeffreyice1
06/01/2008 01:29 am
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Hi, This is a picture of another Indian cent that was machined. We see various incarnations of these fairly frequently. Whoever fiddled with this one even took the time to do a nice job of reeding the edge of the coin. Thanks, Bill   Edited by foundinrolls
06/01/2008 01:48 am
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