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halfbustisbetter........ Quote:
an examination of coins in holders point to yours being a solid VG grade Looking closly again.......I wouldn't disagree too loudly with you....requirements as far as some feather detail should give it a VG-8.....you're right. All the details are NOT worn, so it has a right to that grade...... |
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halfabustisbetter
While I may agree with the grade of VG, it is definitely not a metal detecting coin.
I have found a few and seen many others.
If there had been any fertilizer in the soil the detail would be nearly gone.
Even without the fertilizer, it would look far worse.
Perhaps cleaned, but not a detecting coin.
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I agree here that considering obverse marks or possible cleaning, the coin might net VG, but the feather details in the right wing are a little better than a typical VG against the grading guides. Then again, that obverse has some pretty rough marks. As an example, here's one that graded F12 in a PCGS OGH (source Heritage). Granted, it's a '56, but the wear on the eagle should be similar. Also, surface gouges are pretty common for the lower grades in this series.  |
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Kurt.....your FE pictured above right here is a little better than his I think ! in using this definition for F-12... Quote:
F-12...(fine)....Eagle head details and feather tips sharp On his coin, there are no head details at all......and the feather tips are not sharp..(though there is detail in the wing and edge, it isn't sharp detail there) And the coin you put up DOES have these details in the head and the the sharper feather tips...On his FE, the head seems to look completely smooth except for the eye point, which in itself has no discernable real detail either. Yours even shows some feather detail around the neck area and lower breast area, whereas there's no trace of this in his FE.Your FE has the clearer "sharper" feather outside edge detail esp. on the right wing than his shows. I think, however, that your pic is much clearer and closer and therefore easier to inspect these details. I think that your FE has plenty enough to get that F-12......not "considerable detail", but enough for that grade easy enough....and his FE is lacking just enough of these 3 differences in comparison....... But I'll sum up and say that I'd take your opinion of a grade over mine any day !.......  Edited by eaglefoot
06/03/2008 2:54 pm
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Eaglefoot-- On FE's I don't find much "head detail" to speak of on any coins to be a strong determinant for grade. I'd suggest the right wing feather detail is a better one to go by, and I actually think his coin has more definition than that '56. I tend to look for areas where I can compare large areas of detail, because lack of detail in small areas can be simply strike issues. But like you--I'm just throwing out a few guesses here. I may concede VG10 because the obverse has more marks than average, and if those marks suggest tooling/cleaning I'd drop it further. But I'm hardly a grading expert, lol. Edited by KurtS
06/03/2008 3:03 pm
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Kurt:
Nice coin!
I always wanted one of those, can I borrow yours?
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Well, regardless......I'd like to buy BOTH of these together for $30.00 if you guys will both agree and send em' my way.......check is in the mail !...LoL..  |
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LOL...I wish that '56 were mine!(Heritage auctions) I'd even take one in VG. Just pondering grading standards here...hopefully nobody took me too seriously, but it's possible to undergrade too! Eaglefoot, I was surprised to read somewhere you could pick up a '56 like that one for $100 as recent as 1950. How values change! Edited by KurtS
06/03/2008 3:14 pm
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Yeah !...WOW ! I've got a few '57 FE's.....but I ain't got me that there one !....  .....wish I did !....(so I guess you won't be sending that to me in the mail for the price I mentioned any time soon then..?... ) Overgrading and Undergrading......definately agree.....I think it's a good idea to grade "conservatively" though as a general rule....because sometimes one can try to wish it into a better grade !.....Then ya get to believing it and convince yourself. The tendancy to "overvalue" one's own collection is very common I'm sure, and I'd be more upset to "overvalue" someone else's coins than my own... Were I to send in a valuable or semi-valuable coin to be graded, I'd rather it came back to me with a good surprise rather than a bad surprise..... .... Of course that goes without saying that I wish I was knowledgeable enough to get it exactly right each and every time though !  Edited by eaglefoot
06/03/2008 3:35 pm
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I'm afraid the closest I'll ever own is my 1857 obverse of '56 Flying Eagle (NGC AU55). That's the one where they used undated dies left over from 1856 and stamped 1857 for minting early that year. 1856 had a different obverse lettering present on this coin. "I'd rather it came back to me with a good surprise rather than a bad surprise"  Edited by KurtS
06/03/2008 3:55 pm
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It looks close to my first 1856 in detail, which was a VG8.
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If that 1856 were an 1857 PCGS probably would have bodybagged it.
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" If that 1856 were an 1857 PCGS...."
I was thinking the same thing.
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The info you experts give is great.. and thanks a TON for sharing that. How can you tell it's cleaned?
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No lie Halfabust, they have a bit of a double standard where that matter is concerned. If its rare enough they'll grade it if its been sandblasted and fried in butter.
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