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Lords Prayer Token By Kettle

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 Posted 03/03/2018  05:12 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mrv to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi I found the following medal in a bunch pennies I brought, can someone tell me what it is, what grade it is and what it might be worth?

Thank you in advance


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 Posted 03/03/2018  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Anaximander to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Henry Kettle & sons were a medal manufacturer in Birmingham during the late 18th and early 19th centuries. One fragmentary internet source I found mentioned 1792 to 1820.

I am unable to find your item in my sources so cannot give you exact information. My books cover tokens, but I don't think this is a token. I suggest it is more of a medallion or commemorative piece. One fragmentary internet source suggested it was a school reward token.

The quote "FEAR GOD HONOUR THE KING" comes from the Bible - 1 Peter 2:17. It also appears frequently on tokens made around that time. The text in the suns rays is Hebrew for "Jehova", or more likely "Yahweh", the Hebrew name for God. I am not a Hebrew scholar, so maybe another forum resident can do better with this part. All this supports the idea that it is a religious medal, possibly handed out as a school reward.

The style of manufacture certainly fits the very late 18th or very early 19th centuries. The hole suggests it was worn as a pendant.

I found an ebay auction ending in Feb 2018, where one of these in brass in better condition than yours, sold for £ 19.87. Yours is copper, so I don't know how that affects the value.

There is a book which may help you:

British Historical Medals 1760 to 1960, volume 1, George III to William IV.
Laurence Brown

I don't have this unfortunately. Internet prices seem to vary around £60 to £80, so maybe your local library could get it for you. If you find anything out, please add it to this thread, as I would be interested to know.
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 Posted 03/03/2018  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dennman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe the reward medals had the "Reward of Merit at the bottom where yours shows Kettle.
I found one like yours listed, on The World of Coins,as a George III death medal 1820.
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 Posted 03/03/2018  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrv to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Dennman and Anaximander for your replies. I will need to do some more research and will report back, but at least I have a starting point thanks to you both.
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There are a confusing number of Kettle tokens mixing and matching these devices. If you've seen the World of Coins mentioned , you'll know that I have some of them. I'll try to dig them out tomorrow along with their BHM numbers and rarity.
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 Posted 03/08/2018  02:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrv to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Received a reply from a online token/medal specialist:

I have examined the images of the medallion, and it is a 1820 George III Death Medal. The obverse, has the name "Jehovah" in Hebrew, and the other side contains the "Lords Prayer". It is not valuable, and the fact that it has a hole in it, lessens it value which is approx. £5-£10. The sought after examples of this coin/Medallion, have no hole and bear the kings Head instead of the Lords prayer.

Really delighted with my purchase, it only cost a few pence.

Thanks to all who replied
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