1921 Peace Dollar-To Grade Or Not To Grade?

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Morpheus1967 New Member United States 3 Posts	Posted 03/08/2018 12:46 pm Trying to get as many opinions as possible before deciding whether to send this in for grading or not. Thoughts on a grade? Thanks! Report this Post to the Staff

dave700x Rest in Peace United States 10625 Posts	Posted 03/08/2018 1:15 pm to CCF! I just responded to your other post.... Report this Post to the Staff
Morpheus1967 New Member United States 3 Posts	Posted 03/08/2018 1:20 pm LOL thanks Dave! Report this Post to the Staff
yelimsexa Valued Member United States 186 Posts	Posted 03/08/2018 1:37 pm Looks XF45ish to me. This may be the high relief variety, but even that is a $150 coin at the most if certified with that grade. IMO certify if you have spare coins to grade as part of a package deal, but otherwise pass. Report this Post to the Staff
Copper Penny Connection Valued Member United States 415 Posts	Posted 03/08/2018 3:17 pm All 1921 Peace dollars are high relief. IMO I wouldnt have this one graded. It may just be the picture or my phone, but the obverse seems a bit off to me. Perhaps cleaned many many years ago. Report this Post to the Staff
Benja Valued Member United States 186 Posts	Posted 03/08/2018 3:33 pm Looks polished. Report this Post to the Staff
coin197 Pillar of the Community United States 1963 Posts	Posted 03/08/2018 3:40 pm It is not worth grading, unless you use ANACS $10 special. It has been cleaned. Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 03/08/2018 3:44 pm Cleaned or not, it's not worth the cost of grading. to the CCF! Report this Post to the Staff
SilverDollar2017 Pillar of the Community United States 8715 Posts	Posted 03/08/2018 5:02 pm Don't send it to be graded. Report this Post to the Staff
einstem Valued Member United States 314 Posts	Posted 03/08/2018 6:29 pm Agree that it looks XF or low AU based on wear on hair on obverse, although detail on feathers on reverse looks a bit better. But in terms of "cleaning" or "polishing", that is a harder call without looking at the coins "in hand" and seeing the "cartwheel luster" (or lack of it.). But agree it looks pretty darn "shiny" for a coin its age and condition, so I would take the suggestions above that it is likely "cleaned".. good eye on that.. I'm getting better and the "technical grade" but determining "cleaned" is still real tough.. although Peace dollars are heavily cleaned, especially when found "in the raw". Report this Post to the Staff
moxking Rest in Peace United States 17900 Posts	Posted 03/08/2018 6:45 pm AU, details, polished. Report this Post to the Staff
nickelsearcher Moderator United States 15485 Posts	Posted 03/08/2018 7:33 pm to the CCF. Hopeful that you pull up a stool to the collective coin discussion campfire and join us for the long term discussion. Your 1921 Peace dollar as shown by photo is not worthy of any grading fees IMHO. it is circulated to the (at best) XF grade range and cleaned/polished. This is a common coin in this grade ... even with original surfaces. Save your TPG money for a better example. Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11898 Posts	Posted 03/08/2018 7:37 pm au details environmental damage. surfaces look pitted. Report this Post to the Staff
Morpheus1967 New Member United States 3 Posts	Posted 03/09/2018 04:46 am Odd that so many are saying cleaned/polished. I can look at several coins on ebay with the exact same finish/patina that have been graded by PCGS and have no mention at all of cleaning. Example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1921-Peace...AOSwjVVV03LS Not saying it's not, as I don't have sufficient enough knowledge to say one way or the other. But I really appreciate all of the input and advice. Thanks. Report this Post to the Staff
einstem Valued Member United States 314 Posts	Posted 03/10/2018 11:39 am Odd that so many are saying cleaned/polished. I can look at several coins on ebay with the exact same finish/patina that have been graded by PCGS and have no mention at all of cleaning. Peace dollars are definitely tough to detect "cleanings", especially "Old Cleanings". The way I have seen most "experienced graders" do it is by rotating the coin under a good light and examining the "cartwheel effect" and the "luster" and look for signs of "polish marks" that you can sometimes see when shining the light against the coin at an angle. This is something that is VERY tough to see from a single photos, and why you really need to have a "coin in hand" at times to make a determination. And even then, I have seen different coin "experts" at shows I go to disagree if something was "cleaned" or not... And I wouldn't doubt that even the grading companies get it "right" all the time, but at least they should catch any real "obvious" cleaning and give it a "Details" grade. I am learning that Coin Grading is definitely not easy! Michael Michael Report this Post to the Staff
panzaldi Bedrock of the Community United States 18696 Posts	Posted 03/10/2018 11:48 am einstem, this one is pretty easy to see the polishing without having it in hand. looking at the high points in hair and especially on the reverse in the feathers around the eagles leg the metal looks like its almost melted, flat and dull. a sure sign of polishing Report this Post to the Staff
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