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1874 Three Dollar Gold Piece - Real?

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What do you think? The seller guarantees the coin's authenticity. No opportunity to examine the coin in hand. I'm bothered by the mushy details - including the way the denticles on the lower obverse fade out.
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I agree. Details look mushy. Best case, its had a cleaning. And worse case, the fields may point to a cast copy. I would Run Away, unless you are getting an amazing and fantastic deal.
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Three ways to check it:
1. XRF - a bullion dealer or gold jewelry buyer may be able to help you out.
2. Exact diameter - when a copy is cast it shrinks a tiny amount on cooling. If it is cast the bubbles from high pressure casting may be very scarce or even non existent.
3. Exact weight.

If you can't examine the coin in hand, then don't bother with it, and wait for another example to become available.

Looks OK on screen, but worn, but I agree with the mushy details giving rise to your suspicion.
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I would pass on this one.
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I would really want to see the diagnostics on this. I only have one of them, so nothing to really compare to.

FWIW, XRF only reads the skin and a few molecules deep. Has been known to be fooled by heavily plated copies. Interesting, I've noted at the last three coin shows a lot more dealers have this unit: http://www.sigmametalytics.com/ - I saw three at the last Cowtown show.
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It may be a cast fake. I would pass.
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I would pass on it. Better to get one already graded unless you know the series well.

If it's too good to be true, it probably is.
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Worries me as well. Get a slabbed one, sleep better.
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Counterfeit.
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Pass on this one. It looks, smells and tastes like a counterfeit.
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By the way, this is a coin that has popped up on our local version of ebay. No intention of purchasing. I would report the listing if there was strong consensus around the coin being counterfeit. I asked the seller what steps he had taken to confirm the coin's authenticity and got the "I been in business for 38 years..." line followed by, "if you don't think it's real, don't buy it". No answer to my question.
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$3 gold should really only be purchased graded by most people, there is very likely more fakes of those than real ones at this point some of which are very good.

I wouldn't touch that one pictured above, from the small pics it looks mushy and grainy.
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I agree with the consensus. This one scares me. I would avoid it.
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Back on the market in a PCGS holder ("Mount Removed - XF Detail").
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