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I Am Ken Coin Novice Looking For Info On Avoiding Cleaned Coins

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Ken!

Most all of us have made some mistakes when we first started buying coins.
I know for sure I made my fair share. There are many ebay buyers that are
not well educated and give glowing seller feedback on problem coins so
always keep that in mind.

Educate yourself. Study what "hair lines" look like. Get a good loupe.
Go to some coin shows if you have some in your area to look at coins
in person.

And ask questions here.
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 Posted 03/24/2018  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenBerthiaume to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok here is a purchase.
I-Am-Ken-Coin-Novice-Looking-For-Info-On-Avoiding-Cleaned-Coins

What do you think? Lot of detail, you can see vertical lines on the shield.
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Op hete. You can't see iy here but under a magnifying glass you can clearly see her toes even on left foot right side of coin. You can see her nose eyes and mouth completely.
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What do you think, is this coin cleaned? Itlooks silvery but photographs toned. Is that bad?
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From those pictures people are just guessing. Stick with PCGS/NGC coins as you learn or at least PCGS/NGC/ICG/ANACS
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Can you post a bigger picture and in brighter light? Even without a bigger picture, I can see that a) it has no darkness to it b) light is reflecting off of it evenly (like the example on the last page) so it was likely polished. It does have a lot of detail to it so it might be a slider, something that somebody embellished a bit to make it look uncirculated. Did you buy it as an unc?
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Op here. Is polished the same as cleaning? I bought it as uncirculated. Doesn't look like there's any wear, but who knows how,it would grade. I will try to take more pictures.
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Looking at the two coins SilverDollar2017 posted yesterday, the clue that jumps out at me is the gunk remaining in & around each letter on the upper coin: precisely where a cleaning cloth would not reach.

Yes, one could use very small tools to clean those areas ... if the coin were worth the hours required.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey
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I-Am-Ken-Coin-Novice-Looking-For-Info-On-Avoiding-Cleaned-Coins

Ok maybe this is more clear. It's in a holder now so itlooks dull unfortunately via camera.
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Most ones you see online, you can't see the garment crease on her right leg. This one is clear.
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the clue that jumps out at me is the gunk remaining in & around each letter on the upper coin: precisely where a cleaning cloth would not reach.


There's been a thread about this
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It looks cleaned. Too bad, it was a nice example before it was cleaned.
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Take some dirty coins out of circulation and give the coins a nice cleaning, so the coins look like new. Look at the coins under magnification and light, then, tilt the coin back and forth and look at the hairline scratches you created by cleaning the coins. This will give you an idea of what a polished or cleaned coin can look like.

If you want to know what a coin looks like that has been dipped in acid, buy some melt silver dimes with heavy tarnish and buy eZest coin cleaner and follow the safety and dipping instructions on the label. Once you dip the dimes you will get an idea of what dipped coin looks like.

Most coins 100 years old do not look like they just came from the mint, so you need to learn what a original coin looks like.

A polished coin is a form of cleaning. Hard to tell from your picture, but if the coin you posted was dipped and showing wear, the dealer would know that the coin had been dipped. Some coins in mint state that are dipped can be market acceptable.


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Silverdollar what makes you say it looks cleaned? I haven't seen any standing liberties with the features this has. You can see individual toes. Under 10x magnification, I didn't see any scratches at all. If this coin is cleaned, every coin on ebay is.
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You won't see any hairlines, as it has been dipped. Often, coins are dipped in cleaning solutions to make them look better or to remove toning. However, this causes them to lose all their mint luster, which is replaces by a dull, almost mirror-like surface. Yours exhibits those characteristics.

Better pics will help tell how harshly it has been cleaned.


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I haven't seen any standing liberties with the features this has. You can see individual toes.


Cleaning will not affect details.
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