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1917 Wheat DDO Error?

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 Posted 04/12/2018  11:43 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Keilleysdad to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am pretty new at errors. I found my first definitive DDO on a penny that was metal detected today.

This is a genuine error and I am not just hoping right?
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 Posted 04/12/2018  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF. What you have is MD,machine doubling not a DDO,doubled die.
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Thanks! Still learning. It is a desirable strike, right?
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Only if you collect MD.
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It's a good date, but we can only see that one little bit. If you posted the obverse (heads) and reverse we can offer grade advice.
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It is in dug condition so not much of a grade.

Trying to figure out the pic sizing still
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to the Community!

Your post was moved to the appropriate forum for the proper attention.
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Thanks!!
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Would love to see more pics!



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I agree; post more pictures. Looks like MD, but worth vetting further. About half way through first page, you'll see my 1917 - http://goccf.com/t/302360&SearchTerms=1917,DDO
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Ok, how do we know it is Machine Doubling? Look at the 'U' and 'S' on TRUST. Machine damage happens after the strike. the die will shift/bounce/slide after the strike happens and then damages the devices. some times mild, sometimes stronger. Sometimes the strike varies form strike to strike:
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Sometimes the strike varies on the same area:
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Not how one device is affected stronger that the other devices right next to it. But the chief way to tell is that the devices will be reduced from the hit the dies give it after the strike. But it always reduces the devices.
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Note the example on the left and see how the device was reduced, center a normal device and third image is an image of the same device, but shows hub doubling. (doubled die)

So what you looking at on your coin is damage caused by the machine, A doubled die is not just an altered device caused by the machine. It is doubling that is on the die. Each coin will look the same from strike to strike. Machine Doubling alters the devices. And yes, Machine Doubling can happen on doubled dies as well, damaging these devices.
Normal coin with machine damage
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Note how when the die came up, it damaged the devices starting about 1/2 way up.

Machine Doubling on a doubled die:
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Note the last two images. One is normal doubled die, the second is MD on the devices with the arrows.
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@coop, thanks for that detailed reply. That help a bunch.

As far as more pics, I can't deliver small enough resolution for the forum even using the tool
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