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Are These Dutch Rijksdaalders Authentic?

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 Posted 04/17/2018  12:28 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add stonewall to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
i have been given the opportunity to purchase these coins for fair price but I know to little yet about coins to spot a fake so I would ask for your opinions.

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 Posted 04/17/2018  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd pass, even cheap.

Photos aren't good enough to be absolutely certain, but at least two are fakes and the rest probably are too.
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 Posted 04/17/2018  6:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The familiar halo toning scares me.
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 Posted 04/17/2018  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thq, kindly elaborate on this Halo toning.
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The seated and Morgan dollars in the attached link exhibit what bothers me. There is darkening around the rim, with the eagles and busts brighter. An artificial-looking accentuation, seen on most of stonewall's Dutch coins.

http://drapedbustcoins.reidgold.com/chinese.html

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 Posted 04/17/2018  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add otto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They look like Chinese fakes I have seen recently on e-bay.
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 Posted 04/17/2018  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would be very cautious with this group. All of the coins here are types that are known to have been forged by the Chinese. If you can examine the coins - check the weights of each and make sure they are close to the correct weight. You should pass a magnet over the coins to see if they are magnetic. Then check the edge to see that the design is correct. Many Chinese copies have reeds with split tops. Finally check for coins of the same date and look for post strike damage that is the same on more than one coin. Post strike damage is unique like a fingerprint. So if two coins have matching damage the coins are counterfeit.
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Best solution is find a real benchmark prime example and first examine details, colouration and then reeding this is the most foolproof way for low value (less than a couple grand) coins especially these days, as Chinese have bad quality controls there more worry about quantity (1 sucker buying 100 of these imagine). Then weigh and test with magnetic, note these test arent the best method in my opinion. Last you can test silver test such as tap or blow test or ice test, unless its a unc or xf.

with the halo darking/toning not a good sign as many Chinese fakes especially have fake/darking wear on to make them seem old and valuable.

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