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Mystery Coin! Silver "Damma" From Sindh, Nw India, C. 700 Ad - "Ha Si"

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Who doesn't love a good mystery?

This coin type I believe was recently discovered, and has not been attributed. They come from historic Sindh in NW India/Pakistan, and are believed to be a product of a local kingdom around 600-700 AD, before the Muslim invasions in the early 8th century.

AR 15x14mm, 1.15g
Obv: Four dots and lines arranged to slightly resemble a candelabra, Brahmi "Ha Si"
Rev: Blank

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Some things that make these particularly interesting:
- Despite the very crude fabric, the lettering is extremely well crafted and delicate - arguably the best calligraphy on an Indian coin since the golden age of the Kshatrapas.
- Contrasting the calligraphy, the design is so crude abstract that nobody is certain what it's supposed to be.
- These are the only uniface coins struck in India after about 180 BC. It's difficult to photograph, but the reverse is brought to a very slight point in the reverse, showing that these were placed in a slightly pyramidal dish to strike - there was never an obverse die.
- These coins come in a few legend variants, the most common being "Ha Si" and "Ha Gu"
- The area was primarily ruled by the kingdom of Sindh during this time; that kingdom struck silver coins, but of a very different fabric and lighter weight.
- The principal silver coins in India at the time would have been the post-Gupta (Maitraka, Kalachuri, and Sri Harsha types) which were a little heavier but of much lesser silver quality, and the coinage of the Hunnic invaders, at this time struck to the Sassanian-Attic standard of ~4g drachms. This doesn't seem to fit neatly with either monetary system. Which is unusual for this time and place.

At any rate, when these coins were discovered, they came in a great big hoard, so they are not expensive. This one was only $11; I have seen them go much cheaper than that!

Alex Fishman I believe is working on a reference to these coins; as far as I know it is not yet finished.
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First one of these I've seen. Interesting find.
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Really cool. Great info too.
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Thanks guys.

I just dug this back out of my photobucket; a purchase from last summer. It originates from roughly the same time and place, but I disagree with the claim that the "four dot" coin is a derivative of this one:

India, Kingdom of Sindh
Chach of Alor
c. 632-671
AR hemidrachm (.68g, 12mm)
Schematized bust right (the oval shape is the eye, lips below and ear behind)
Fire altar (the three dots) surrounded by Brahmi "Sri Paramjeta"
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These two coins likely belonged to the same circulation system at a 1:2 ratio but IMO they are too radically different to be directly related.

In truth, I am not sure how "Sri Paramjeta" led people to attribute these coins to Chach, although his former master (whose kingdom he usurped through an affair with the queen) was Rai Sahasi II...
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Very cool--thanks for posting this one. I saw that Imperial has a new auction out, but I haven't had a chance to look at what is there. Maybe I need to add a couple more ancient Indians to my collection.
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