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2017 P LSC DDO? I Have 50 Rolls Of These.

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 Posted 05/05/2018  10:23 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Cory865 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
I know it looks shelflike but at the oppisite angle it seems to be a double. Again I'm sure I'm wrong, I have a really hard time with double dies as yall know but aint gave up yet.
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
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 Posted 05/05/2018  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add da Swampster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My jury is still out on most claimed / supposed 2017 P doubling.. I don't know what to think..

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 Posted 05/05/2018  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cory865 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not claiming anything I'm asking I have a really hard time with double dies I constantly post coins thought to be doubled when it's actually MD
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 Posted 05/05/2018  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All I can see from your pics are the lighting and reflection doubling. Not seeing any Doubled Die.Sorry.
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 Posted 05/05/2018  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add da Swampster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not you, Cory..
Claims & statements I've seen on other web sites etc..
Sorry about the misunderstanding..

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 Posted 05/05/2018  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All I see is MD. No doubled die.
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 Posted 05/05/2018  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cory865 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Figured so thank you all
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The double set of lighting makes thing appear that aren't even there. But look like as mentioned already: MD. On micro photos, a single light is the best help. Two lights are OK for full image shots. But there is a lot of glare on your coin, so you need to diffuse the lighting.
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Yeah I've been playing around with the lighting I've realize too much light is worse than not enough light I'm working on doing better Coop thanks a lot. This one just throws me off because I see where it looks like it's MD but when you angle my camera differently it's bulged out like a die would normally I don't understand. I'll work on some better photos but I'm sure y'all are right you know I have a hard time with double dies I understand the Shelf like thing but I don't know how many times I swore I had something and didnt. I'm glad y'all still work with me and stay patient with me
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 Posted 05/05/2018  4:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No problem Cory. We all have to start somewhere.
First Lighting. (Just one is needed for micro photos) why? Because you need light and dark to happen on your images. Too much light and you have a white image, and too much dark, then you have a black image. Light needs to fall across devices. Light to darkness. Here is an image that I took:
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
Note how the image is not took bright and not too dark? The image light source is at 12:00. Note how the top of the field area is lighter and the lower part is darker. I use a 14 watt bulb. Then I have the light diffused with a plastic grocery bag. This helps remove glare off the devices. Sometimes I used bond paper to filter out the glare on group images with out my microscope:
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
I often take full images of cents and dimes with my scope and edit them:
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
So I use sometimes to different light setups. One for my scope:
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
One for coin groupings:
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
On micro photos the best way to get an image to show doubling is to let the light fall across a device:
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
Note on these images the light fall across the devices and does make a spot lot on the ares we are so wanting everyone to see. But when you use too much light, then all we see is glare. What you see in the lens isn't always what you get on the other end of the image. Thus the editing process can help fix/repair or help you realize that something is not working. So what is needed for great images:
1. Camera that has a macro feature. Also if it has a setting for taking image sizes, set it for MAX. Images can be edited down a lot easier, than tying to enlarge them a loose quality when you are editing.
2. Lighting. I use a book light on my scope. It was a 6V system, but when I got my larger scope with the oculars, then I needed more light. So I bumped it up to 12V. I use a 14 watt bulb. When I got my larger scope, it had a light system. I took it off the second day and added my own. Finally I've got it the way that I want it.
3. Editing software. I prefer to use Photoshop. It is an expensive program, but it does it all for me. I've used Paint for a time. It works great for others. But after you've used photoshop, its' like trying to go back to the stone age. The program takes time to get used to, but after 20 years... I'm still learning. (Just figured out something today that I didn't know)

But taking time and asking questions before you buy, you can figure things out a lot quicker.

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Thanks coop for taking the time to teach me that. That will help so much. The micro scope I have has led lights all around it. I think ill try turninginto the light off an trying your setup. Thanks!
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Some try taping them over (black tape or paint) to let one central light shine. I just started over with what works for me.
This is the basic part of my lighting system:
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
The 14W bulbs I used to get from Radio Shack. But now they are out of business. They last sometimes for years. They can be com dark and need to be replaced.
I also use a ramp:
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
The takes the light at the right angle, then angles it into the scope. On cents you know when it is right as the coins look gold in color. The widest part is at 6:00, Light at 12:00. If you turn the ramp incorrectly with then angle the opposite direction, then the images are darker. I put a cap from a half dollar square tube under the ramp. Keeps the coins from damaging the scope table.
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
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I ran across a couple of more images of issue with lighting. Secondary light can also cause glare. You can shut off un-wanted lights, but light from windows also is an issue. So I use a couple of thing to block unwanted glare:
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
2017-P-LSC-DDO?--I-Have-50-Rolls-Of-These.
Filtering out unwanted glare can be an issue. How can you tell what direction it is coming from? Place you hand around the scope and see what direction need the glaring light to be blocked/diffused. Getting close to 8,000 images on my image host. So sometimes I can't find an image I'm looking for.
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I don't know how many times I swore I had something and didnt. I'm glad y'all still work with me and stay patient with me


I feel your pain.

Thanks, coop, for once again giving us all a great lesson.
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 Posted 05/08/2018  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevieb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Cory, A couple of weeks ago I finally figured out how to tell the difference between MD and Doubled Dies. What works for me is to look at the altitude of the two images. Doubled Dies are virtually the same height between the two(or three)images. When they are so close to each other you'll see a faint line going up the middle of the images because they are the same height. They always talk about the MD looking shelf like. That always confused me. What they should say is that one image is always lower or higher than the other. This has made it so easy to tell the difference between the two. I hope this helps. You should try comparing the two (1955 Doubled Die) with a common MD.
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Let me know if this helps you out before I start to share this all over the forum.
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