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Hi, I hope this is in the right area. I have attached a link to an auction below. NGC graded the coin, and you can see from the photos that there is doubling on the profile of Lincoln and on the date. Why didn't NGC mark this as doubling on the coin holder? It is marked as Strike Doubling on what looks like a plastic bag that the seller has the coin in. Any thoughts on this?  https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-S-STR....m1431.l2649 |
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NGC didn't label it because it was likely submitted to them as a 1970-S DDO-001, which it is not. It is only Strike Doubling aka MD. |
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OOOOOOoooo, someone lost a lotto money on that submission! Ouch, why knowing the difference is important. BTW, when people reference " Strike Doubling" be wary. Strike Doubling is Machine damage done at the strike...Doubled dies are a product of the making of the hubbing dies. Doubling replicates exactly coin to coin, MD is random machining per strike. I can't hardly believe it has a $4.25 bid on it already,  ! Think of all that money I just threw away back into the pond from CRHing!  Edited by Crazyb0
05/06/2018 4:10 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Correct. This is not a doubled die, it is common Machine Doubling found a lot on the 1968-1972 cents. They don't mention MD on the slabs as they view that is normal on the coins. We are the ones that know what it is and what it isn't. It is Machine Doubling, damaged after the coin was struck with movement with the die. It is not hub doubling. If it were the devices would be enlarged from normal size, instead of being reduced smaller than normal size. the area that everyone looks for when searching for doubled dies is the edge of the devices. Hub doubling enlarges the devices in the center of the devices. This is called spread. Spread is the distance the hub was in an incorrect alignment during the die creation process. Note the affected area on this coin: _AAD.jpg) Note the spread in the center of the devices? On the right side you can see some Machine Doubling. This is not the area to see a doubled die when searching. Look at the central area of the device. Another one?  Again note the spread, but the doubling in the center is where to look for a doubled die. Not on the edge of the devices. All you will see there is Machine Doubling. Again Machine Doubling does not increase the size of devices, it reduces the size. Your coin shows it well. It is not a doubled die. So where should you look for doubling on a doubled die ?Edited by coop
05/06/2018 4:15 pm
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Thank you all for your replies. I appreciate your expertise.
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Bedrock of the Community
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This is pretty sad for the seller, but it's very funny to me since he wasted all of that money on grading. This is the reason why you should do more research first and know the differences.
Errers and Varietys.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Come here and learn free. We all live and learn. Making the right choices helps.
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So where should you look for doubling on a doubled die? Say it with me, " In the middle of the devices. Not on the edges." |
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Bedrock of the Community
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That's right Coop. You can learn for free by coming here on CCF. If he did, he would have saved a lot of money.
Errers and Varietys.
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How and why is auction at $26 now?
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NGC didn't mention it on the holder because it's worthless Machine Doubling. Not a DD of any kind. Seller should have posted on CCF before sending it to NGC. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Even PCGS does not mention MD. It is just the coin contact that lowers the grade. But to me, if it was on a variety, I would never buy it. It is too distracting to me for a coin to have it.
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05/08/2018 2:58 pm
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WOW! The coin has made it to $40!
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OMG I have tons of these MD in many years... I am rich!! HAHA But seriously $40... currently? Wow! Is that just cause he has that brown in a holder?  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Probably cost him that much to have it stabbed and auction fees. The person who will loose the most is the buyer. I've bought a bu 1946 cent stabbed for $6 at a coin store. Someone lost big time having it graded. I gave it to a friend that was born that year. He loves it.
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And there you have it... SOLD $40 No bidding at the end... in holder with disclaimer!   |
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