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You Vs PCGS - 1899 Canadian 25c

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 Posted 05/12/2018  9:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 4mile123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

I would really appreciate your opinions on the grade of this coin. I'll post the PCGS grade tomorrow night.

You-Vs-PCGS---1899-Canadian-25c

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 Posted 05/12/2018  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnnysprawl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, beauty coin!
Looks MS65
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 Posted 05/12/2018  11:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Optimist-numismatist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS-64 at least, very nice!
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 Posted 05/13/2018  12:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS-64.
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I see these images at 5x.
A TPGrader sees the coin hand held at 10x.

The patina may be hiding some tiny nicks and scratches, but if that is the case, I can't see them, so I guess that there isn't any.
On this assumption,
MS66.
I expect the PCGS grading to be lower.

Modern 'issued for circulation' coins always have bag marks.



Comments above give a clue as to why I prefer 'as freshly struck looking', blast white coins.
When they are over a century old, all coins should patinate, and if their long term environment prevents this, the coins themselves must be much rarer.
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 Posted 05/13/2018  02:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful coin!
MS65
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 05/13/2018  07:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Love the colour.
MS 65
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Probably MS-64 or 65. Looks amazing.
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MS64
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I'll go 65, a real knockout. Congrats!
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PCGS graded this coin MS-64+. It was previously graded MS-65 in an old seal ICCS holder. Thanks for your thoughts.

In my opinion, the coin is very conservatively graded. There are no visible nicks or scratches and, to my eye, the toning is very appealing.


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I was going to guess 65. That little bit of chatter on the neck and cheek and by the nose probably does rightfully make it a nice 64 rather than a 65 though.

Still a nice piece!
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Sorry for the downgrade.

I would have kept it in the old seal ICCS holder.

You're playing with two different grading philosophies.

Pristine obverse fields is a no brainer ms65 (ICCS).

But PCGS grades high relief contact marks and because of a few small hits on the cheek and neck, a lower grade than a 65 results.

Crack it out and have Brian put it back in the old holder.

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I would trust PCGS grading in this case.
It seems that they found a few tiny detracting marks that I couldn't see in the pictures.
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