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Can Someone Please Identify This Ancient Coin

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 Posted 06/01/2018  07:27 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ateyat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I think its Ptolemy but its very small is it rare, and how much does it worth
Its weight about 2.88 grams
Size about 1.3 cm
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 Posted 06/01/2018  07:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The off center dimple on the reverse make me scratch my head a bit.
Dimples are not in alignment with each other.
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 Posted 06/01/2018  07:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ateyat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could it be an ancient error
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 Posted 06/01/2018  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Odd looking Ptolimaic type. Looks like an ancient imitation IMO.
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 Posted 06/01/2018  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ateyat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Any help identifying this strange Dimples misalignment.iv made a search and there is no information about this.
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 Posted 06/02/2018  12:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There has been a few theories advanced by numismatic scholars as to why the dimples exist on Ptolemaic bronze coins.

To my way of thinking, the most plausible explanation is that
they are centering holes for an ancient form of lathe, that was used to smooth the surface of the blank before being struck into a coin. That would explain why the dimples should align with each other from opposite sides of the coin.
The dimples are sufficiently deep enough to have survived the striking process.

It is also worthy of note that the have angled edges, where the diameter on one side of the coin is less than the other, and the the coins are almost perfectly round, which is unusual for an ancient coin. It seems that the blank may have been poured hot into a dished mold.
They were then adjusted for weight, and at the same time, the surface of the blank was smoothed, (noted above).
This would explain why almost all of the design detail is evenly struck up, which is also unusual for large ancient bronze coins.
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 Posted 06/02/2018  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ateyat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So what is this coin is it a new discovery.
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 Posted 06/02/2018  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I feel that this coin is most probably a copy made for tourists.
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 Posted 06/02/2018  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ateyat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think it's a copy no one would make such a small coin for tourists that no one will buy secondly its for sure an ancient struck
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One odd point is the split on the flan, looks like it was doctored to be that way after the fact, not upon strike. And, any coins of that era have centered holes. That right there is the preponderance of proof needed to say it is 99.99% chance of being fake. there was probably extended dots on the dies to line them up to hammer them.. Yes, they make all kinds of "tourist" coins, gimmicks everywhere!
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 Posted 06/02/2018  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ateyat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I still don't think its fake take a look at the edges who is the professional one that would do such an edges for the tourists.
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 Posted 06/02/2018  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think at this point you just might want to take it to a museum in your area to have an expert check it out. No-a-days it's very easy for a forger to make a coin that looks so real that experts have a difficult telling. IMO the coin looks too crude for what is normally seen on Ptolemaic coinage.
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 Posted 06/03/2018  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Genuine looking man made aging and patination on a copy coin is very easy achieve.
That is why I never even bothered to consider this aspect of this coin's presentation.
Much easier to just look at the coin itself.
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 Posted 06/03/2018  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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IMO the coin looks too crude for what is normally seen on Ptolemaic coinage.
Not even remotely an expert, but and seconding the ancient imitation theory.
If nothing else, I doubt that a geniune Ptolemaic would ever have the dimple that far off center.

Definitely worth sending to an expert, however.
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 Posted 06/03/2018  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ateyat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think its an ancient imitation
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Hello,
Genuine 1000000%

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