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Lighting Shows Too Many Scratches?

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 Posted 06/05/2018  1:06 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add sg86 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
First post, so hi all!

So, yes I could buy better coins :D, but really my question is how can I replicate daylight through a window hitting the coin at a certain angle. This is usually how I took photos but I now need a consistent way to photograph many so have purchase a copy stand etc.

Looking for tips on how to replicate the above, currently I have a Kaiser RS1 copystand, some panel LED lights on flexbile arms clipped to the bottom of the stand.

I have one light high (about 90 deg to the coin) and one at the side (about 45 deg to the coin)

I've attached a few pictures from "Window light", and then a few with my new setup, you can clearly see one hides the wear/scratches and detail more than the other, the ones from the window are far more pleasing to look at.

Please someone tell me how I can replicate this lighting!!

window light:

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All you can do is try to put the camera and lights in the same relative positions. Also, the natural light is probably very diffuse, so you'll need to add a lot of diffusion.
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 Posted 07/14/2018  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
fantastic pictures from the stand, I don't see a need to change anything

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 Posted 07/23/2018  01:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To CCF! These pictures are perfect. You don't need to change anything.
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I've found that cameras find all the scratches.
It's the nature of the beast.

Why?
At least partly because the image ends up so much larger than the real coin.
The scratches are magnified.
You would see the same thing through a 10x loupe and more so through a microscope.
Hold the real coin up next to your image and see how much larger the image is.

That's why the TPG's grade without a loupe and only use 3x magnification when a closer look at a particular feature is needed.
If all coins were graded with magnification there probably wouldn't be any MS-70 or PF-70 coins.
And maybe not even -69.
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I tend to agree with that. If I cannot see the scratches in hand then they are not there.
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Lighting always high lights the scratches making them look far worse then they do in hand.
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 Posted 11/30/2018  12:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Justwalking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Or we can say that naked eyes shows too little scratches when coin in hand
But even new coin have a lot. It is near window whithout any LED or other light.
(shiny and sleek in hand)
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Or we can say that naked eyes shows too little scratches when coin in hand
But even new coin have a lot. It is near window whithout any LED or other light.

Scratches come in a number of varieties.

-- In your image those scratches are from metal flow during striking.
Often found on business strikes but much less often on proofs.
Numismatically expected and acceptable.

-- Scratches also occur from die polishing.
This is done most often to remove the results of die clashes.
Numismatically expected and acceptable but may be less desirable.

-- Scratches also occur from the time when coins were bagged and the bags were "roughly" handled.
The coins rubbed against one another.
Numismatically expected and acceptable but definitely less desirable.

-- Scratches also occur from coins being poorly stored or handled.
Often called "sliders" and may be graded AU-58.
Or those coins are often given DETAILS grades.

-- And then there's scratches caused by abrasive cleaning.
Unacceptable and results in coins being given DETAILS grades.

Those are what came to mind quickly.
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