1969 P Lincoln Memorial Cent / LMC Doubled Die Reverse / DDR Or High Bounce?

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Jim0815 Pillar of the Community United States 5239 Posts	Posted 06/08/2018 11:10 am I found this 1969 P LMC with a reverse that has me stumped. Its not a grease issue as the pics will show. Grease causes a flattening of the devices with no separation of the devices. There is separation and doesn't exhibit a shelf like on MD's and there is no reduction in the devices. Conventional wisdom or lack thereof tells me a high bounce. I am pretty much stumped and am looking for insight as what caused this. Report this Post to the Staff

coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 06/08/2018 11:24 am The design was a bit wider on them. So contact may have altered those two areas. Looks interesting though. Report this Post to the Staff
Tanman2001 Pillar of the Community United States 4398 Posts	Posted 06/08/2018 11:26 am That is likely a contact mark (damage). Report this Post to the Staff
Jim0815 Pillar of the Community United States 5239 Posts	Posted 06/08/2018 11:33 am Mr. Coop, I have a few 1969 P cents and got one out to compare side by side with. Interesting is a good word to describe it for sure. I thought about the contact mark possibility but every one I have with that shows a reduction in the device. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 06/08/2018 12:26 pm Check to see if the same die markers are present on each coin that is affected? If so, it maybe some grease if just the one device is affected? ('E') If they were from an OBW roll, they could be same die examples. from the same batch. If they were in the wild, then we might want to see what else is known about them? One time incident is usually damage. Multiples from the same die pair, a die issue. If not from the same dies, then it might be hub damage? So let us know what you see on your examples. Report this Post to the Staff
Jim0815 Pillar of the Community United States 5239 Posts	Posted 06/08/2018 1:20 pm Mr. Coop, that came from a circulated roll of mixed cents. I have compared four other "Normal" 1969 P's and I still see the same thing the E and S, especially the E shows a spread I am not familiar with, ( at least how it came to be). I have nothing actually to compare it with. Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 73987 Posts	Posted 06/08/2018 1:42 pm This is interesting. Not sure what to say. Maybe the other members know what it is. Errers and Varietys. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 06/08/2018 1:50 pm Another question: The 1969 cents were know for so much Machine Doubling, this maybe the cause. So check on you coin does it show strong Machine Doubling on the devices from the same direction as the mark on all those coins. That maybe the cause: Edited by coop 06/08/2018 1:51 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Jim0815 Pillar of the Community United States 5239 Posts	Posted 06/08/2018 2:50 pm No MD anywhere on the devises, memorial, anywhere. There also no MD anywhere on the obverse either. Edited by Jim0815 06/08/2018 3:19 pm Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 06/08/2018 3:24 pm Well that coin is a miracle coin. Even the big DDO, about 70% of them have MD on them. So far nothing real exciting found about them. You might try sending images to ask John Wexler to see what he thinks. Maybe he's seen it before? 29,600 Edited by coop 06/08/2018 4:13 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Jim0815 Pillar of the Community United States 5239 Posts	Posted 06/08/2018 3:33 pm I think that is a good idea Mr. Coop. I'll keep you posted. Edited by Jim0815 06/08/2018 3:33 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Jim0815 Pillar of the Community United States 5239 Posts	Posted 06/08/2018 3:43 pm Mr. Coop, I just sent quite a few pics to Mr. Wexler including more pics of the reverse than what I had posted. Maybe a one in a million cent or maybe just worth a cent. Regardless, thank you for helping me. It has me stumped for sure. Report this Post to the Staff
Jim0815 Pillar of the Community United States 5239 Posts	Posted 06/08/2018 8:37 pm The verdict is in. Mr. Wexler does not believe it is doubled die. Worth, face value! Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 06/08/2018 8:49 pm That is what I figured, but wanted you to have the benefit of doubt answered. Report this Post to the Staff
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1969 P LMC DDR Or High Bounce?