Token 1871 With Strange Russian Value

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robert_ Valued Member Italy 81 Posts	Posted 06/20/2018 06:02 am Ciao, here a token that I cannot understand. It is made in iron, 22 mm. The legends: 20 KONTRARY 1871 / GRANDE IMPERO DELLA RUSSIA ARTISTICA (Great Empire of the Artistic Russia). I cannot understand the translation of the value " 20 Kontrary", I tried all different cyrillic letters but it doesn't make any sense. The second strange thing is that the legend on the obverse is written in Italian. Maybe a token given to some Italian artists traveling to Russia? Report this Post to the Staff

chafemasterj Pillar of the Community United States 6514 Posts	Posted 06/20/2018 07:23 am I sent a link to your post to a friend in Russia. Let's see what he comes back with. Check out my counterstamped Lincoln Cent collection: http://goccf.com/t/303507 Report this Post to the Staff
chafemasterj Pillar of the Community United States 6514 Posts	Posted 06/20/2018 07:33 am Found another coin just like it on another language Forum: https://www.lamoneta.it/topic/16186...a-artistica/ Edit: pretty sure your answers are there if you care to translate Italian (I think it's italian) one Italian word I know is gettone which means token. Bonus! I just discovered that you can copy and paste entire posts into the Google Italian to English translator. https://translate.google.com/m/translate Check out my counterstamped Lincoln Cent collection: http://goccf.com/t/303507 Edited by chafemasterj 06/20/2018 07:47 am Report this Post to the Staff
Dorado Bedrock of the Community Canada 24885 Posts	Posted 06/20/2018 07:57 am Quote: Bonus! I just discovered that you can copy and paste entire posts into the Google Italian to English translator. https://translate.google.com/transl...&ie=UTF-8&u=https://www.lamoneta.it/topic/161861-russia-artistica/&edit-text= Report this Post to the Staff
robert_ Valued Member Italy 81 Posts	Posted 06/20/2018 08:09 am Thanks for having discovered this interesting post on the forum lamoneta.it In fact they make several hypothesis on the origin of this strange token. You can easily translate all of it with google. Probably, they say it is connected with some "club" of artists that were in contrast with the main artistic institutions and the 20 Kontrary should be read as it sounds in Italian: "Venti contrari", which means against winds, as Kontray is not a Russian word. Report this Post to the Staff
chafemasterj Pillar of the Community United States 6514 Posts	Posted 06/20/2018 08:42 am Oh. I didn't see you were in Italy. You're welcome. Glad I could be of assistance. Check out my counterstamped Lincoln Cent collection: http://goccf.com/t/303507 Report this Post to the Staff
chafemasterj Pillar of the Community United States 6514 Posts	Posted 06/20/2018 08:47 am Dorado!! How did you do that? It's black magic I say! How did you get it all to translate like that? Check out my counterstamped Lincoln Cent collection: http://goccf.com/t/303507 Report this Post to the Staff
flying_teapot Valued Member Russian Federation 417 Posts	Posted 06/20/2018 09:58 am Hello! Kontrarj is not russian word. I never seen this token before, I bet it's not russian. Why you saying "KONTRARY"? I can clearly see it's contrarj. I searched Artistic Russia on russian, nothing except 1 old book (1884) about art culture. Edited by flying_teapot 06/20/2018 09:59 am Report this Post to the Staff
alganbagerap Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2490 Posts	Posted 06/20/2018 11:23 am I've been trying to link this to the English word contrarian, a person who expresses a contradicting viewpoint, especially one who denounces the majority persuasion This, as a political philosophy, was in vogue from around 1860. Sadly, Google translates this into Russian as *#1087;#1088;#1086;#1090;#1080;#1074;#1086;#1087;#1086;#1083;#1086;#1078;#1085;#1099;#1081;* Report this Post to the Staff
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