Why Some Coins On NGC Database Don't Have Picture?

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silverai Valued Member Canada 117 Posts	Posted 06/22/2018 05:19 am e.g. https://www.NGCcoin.com/certlookup/3132974-002/60/ I found a coin on ebay /w this verification # but I don't think the coin can get MS60. I believe the slab is fake. I checked the NGC database, no image. It means anyone can put a cheap/fake coin in a fake slab with the same slab # and sell it on ebay. Why some coins on NGC database don't have picture? * Moved by Staff moved to a more appropriate forum. * Edited by silverai 06/22/2018 05:20 am Report this Post to the Staff

TheBurnz Pillar of the Community Canada 586 Posts	Posted 06/22/2018 08:36 am You could be right, but I thought you had to pay extra for a picture in there database, I could be wrong. The description of the coin should be there tho. Report this Post to the Staff
JimmyD Bedrock of the Community Canada 21618 Posts	Posted 06/22/2018 10:21 am TheBurnz- You don't have to pay for the picture. This is part of their sevice so anyone can check for counterfeits. silverai- Do you have a link to the ebay listing? If no picture, the holder is most likely a fake and possibly the coin. These holders are readily obtainable and not unusual for someone to make their own insert to put in the holder. I have seen this numerous times. Sometimes they will try to sell a counterfeit by listing it as graded and other times try to upgrade a genuine coin by putting it in a fake holder. Edited by JimmyD 06/22/2018 1:01 pm Report this Post to the Staff
basebal21 Bedrock of the Community 13014 Posts	Posted 06/22/2018 1:35 pm They've only done pictures for a few years. More than likely it was graded before they did pictures Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 06/22/2018 1:56 pm NGC has been around for 31 years, they have only been putting pictures in the database for about ten years. So they means 20 years worth of slabs that do not have pictures. Quote: These holders are readily obtainable and not unusual for someone to make their own insert to put in the holder. NGC style holders are NOT readily obtainable. There are counterfeiters in China that have made fake NGC holders but they don't seem to be a prevalent and fake PCGS holders. As far as I know the counterfeiters have not made the fake NGC and PCGS shells available on the open market. Report this Post to the Staff
JimmyD Bedrock of the Community Canada 21618 Posts	Posted 06/22/2018 3:08 pm basebal21 & Conder101, you are both right. I found the listing in question oneBay and it is in an older style slab holder so it was probably graded before NGC started using photos. As far as fake NGC holders and coins go, I have reported them to ebay in the past. Here is a photo from a listing I reported last year. Notice how the label has been cropped off the bottom. All a counterfeiter needs are some slab holders, counterfeit coins, and a printer and he is in business. The slabs don't have to be perfect, only good enough to fool one person. I picked the photo below at random to show just one of the many slabs for sale on the internet. They come in various sizes and colour inserts. Report this Post to the Staff
silverai Valued Member Canada 117 Posts	Posted 06/22/2018 3:30 pm JimmyD - Here is the ebay item: https://www.ebay.com/itm/263720508501 Report this Post to the Staff
moxking Rest in Peace United States 17900 Posts	Posted 06/22/2018 5:32 pm Anyone with the least modicum of detail awareness and/ or experience can be taught to distinguish fake slabs from real in perhaps two minutes. See YouTube examples that determine specific comparisons for both PCGS and NGC in all past types to attempted counterfeit holders. Report this Post to the Staff
JimmyD Bedrock of the Community Canada 21618 Posts	Posted 06/22/2018 6:51 pm Thanks silverai- The coin and holder both look legit. As stated earlier the reason there is no picture is that it is was graded before they started putting photos on their website. Quote: Anyone with the least modicum of detail awareness and/ or experience can be taught to distinguish fake slabs from real in perhaps two minutes. I agree and the same can be said for fake gold bars but it is the people who lack this awareness and are usually more interested in "getting a deal" that these counterfeiters prey on. Report this Post to the Staff
silverai Valued Member Canada 117 Posts	Posted 06/22/2018 7:40 pm Quote: I agree and the same can be said for fake gold bars but it is the people who lack this awareness and are usually more interested in "getting a deal" that these counterfeiters prey on. It also applies to new collectors or people who blindly trust the ebay rating system. A 100% positive feedback seller with a lot of transactions doesn't mean all of their coins are real. ebay report system is also useless, they don't really care! Report this Post to the Staff
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