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Byzantine "Cup Coin"

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 Posted 06/30/2018  10:33 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add otto to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I purchased this coin for $5.50. Yet to receive. I'm hoping it has Christ image on other side. I'd like feedback. Not sure if this correct forum.

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 Posted 07/01/2018  05:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Otto, looks to me like your Byzantine scyphate has some chipping along the edge, which is a little bit of a bummer. Better pics would help with an attribution, although I personally struggle a bit with attributing these. I'm going to recommend to the mods that your thread be moved over to the ancients and medievals section of CCF so that @echizento and others will definitely see it.
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 Posted 07/01/2018  08:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a Byzantine Trachy Looks like it might be Isaac II, but will need cleared pictures of both sides of the coin when it arrives for a proper ID.
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If you want a thousand yer old picture of Christ, that is the reason you are buying the coin, you really will hardly ever be happy with cup Byzantine coins. Often Christ is on the outside of the cup and the better strike is the emperor on the inside of the cup as you show. You get way better images on the anonymous follis's that are like 10 grams or more often and not nearly as fragile as the cup coins. And you can often get a great image for as low as $10 and higher range about $30. See below:

http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/byz/...ymous/t.html

Also, if you buy cup coins you might as well buy a bunch together. The price really drops closer to $2 each and you get to mess around with a few an d see many different designs.

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 Posted 07/01/2018  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add otto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for everyone's expertise. I'm happy to be introduced to such coins, and glad I didn't pay more than I did.
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I collect Byzantine coins and my favorite of the series are the Trachy (cup coins), A number of years ago I bought over 100 of them for $7.00 most example were in Xfine condition with one example being an extremely rare type which I sold for a great deal of money. Regrettably I sold most of them and only kept a few. If you look around you should be able to still find high grade examples, though probably not as cheap as they were several ears ago.


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 Posted 07/01/2018  3:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add louisvillekyshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Echizento:

Another coin you can get at ridiculously low prices are these silver but extremely thin Islamic Akce coins. Some coins just never take off. Like Judean coins often command a great deal of money and their often very similar Nabateans of their neighbors just are so unloved unless you get an amazing example. Sometimes people hype up they are the Arabs of the Bible and how Herod's family was connected to them or how Paul ran from them just to get some interest. But honestly, if you want Aramaic script like Jesus spoke you have to go to the Nabateans as the Judean coins are using proto Hebrew or Greek.
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Everyone should own a couple of CUP coins, they wont break the bank and are good conversation pieces.
One of mine -

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 Posted 07/02/2018  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Joe,

When it comes down to it coins that are referred to in the Bible come for all over the Levant and the Middle East. The fascination with Judean coins is that we know the Jesus was in the area where they were in use, and the story about the Widows mite which was a prutah.

However coins from other areas where in use there too. The Temple tax was only excepted in silver from Tyre and of course the 30 pieces of silver where thought to be the Tyre Shekel.

The Nabateans are associated to events portrayed in the Bible. Their coinage however is very crude and has not really gotten the attention it should. In a way that is good for those of us that like to collect them, the prices are still low. For a culture that was able to build their beautiful Rose color rock cut city in the middle of nowhere their coinage didn't seem very important to them.

The fascination with Byzantine coinage at least for me is that for the first time they depicted how important Christianity played in the life of their empire by displaying holy images.
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