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George III Half Penny Counterfeit Or Fantasy? Can You Give Me The Story?

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George-III-Half-Penny-Counterfeit-Or-Fantasy?--Can-You-Give-Me-The-Story?

This weighs 5.67 grams and has a diameter of about 26 mm, vs what I think is a genuine one I have which weighs 7.66 grams and has a diameter of about 27 millmeters.

No date is visible and the item is quite worn.

The obverse inscription appears to read "GEORIOVS III VIS" rather than "GEORGIUS III REX". the portrait is a bit different too.

On the reverse I cannot be sure of the letters, but the figure is holding what appears to be a liberty cap, not the branch in the original.

So if anyone has more of a story behind this, I would be interested to know it.


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Well it is definitely an Evasion and I believe is Number 273 in my Withers book.
Obverse Bust facing Right, legend GLORIOVS III VIS
Reverse Britannia, legend BITIT (no clarification as to what this means)
May have been struck in Birmingham (UK) or in the US.
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This gives a bit more of the history behind them:
http://www.thecoppercorner.com/hist...ns_hist.html
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PaddyB - please would you give the details of your "Withers" book. This is an area I am greatly interested in. Thanks in advance.
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Yes - certainly:
"The Token Book - 17th 18th & 19th Century Tokens and their values" printed by Galata in 2010 and Compiled by Paul & Bente R Withers.
This is it on Amazon, though the prices look absolutely crazy:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-lis...e+Token+Book

As suggested by the title it covers much more than just evasions - in fact they are only covered in pages 476 to 492. But all these early tokens are fascinating. Maybe someone else knows of a book on Evasions only?
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Well, thanks for the quick but more importantly the interesting information. I have heard of evasion tokens but never thought about them.

Were they also made to look worn, like the Canadian blacksmith tokens?
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Yes - they were made to look fairly worn at issue to increase the chances of them passing off without being recognised. The book I refereed to above makes particular comment on this fact. It does make collecting them a challenge if you want them in good condition!
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An UNC could look that a VG! I would like to see third party graders handle that!
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