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1858 5 Cents Rp Question

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Does anyone have any idea of distribution between Large Date 1858 5 Cents RP 1,2 & 3(#1,#2,#3). ICCS does not track this in the census and sales numbers are scarce.
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I do...but I'm saving that research for my book :)...

that being said...none of the RP1, RP2 or RP3 are much rarer than the other two...

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Other two? Are you actually saying that LD is more rare that any of the RPs?
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I see where the confusion is...

in my view...there are 3 types of large dates, as all large dates are repunched in some way...

so there is only LD-RP1, LD-RP2 and LD-RP3 with similar distribution...

There is no unrepunched Large Date - at least, of the 50 Large Dates I've seen, I've never seen one that wasn't repunched...

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The large date is punched over the small date, the configuration on the reverse punch that sank the dies. So, a "plain" large date is an impossibility.
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Got it...Thanks for that...The confusion stems from C&C and Charlton both listing LD plus the 3 varieties (5 total id you include the Specimen). Charlton somewhat clarifies this by stating no "plain" LD have been ever certified. So I deduce from that there there are also no known legible grade examples of a RP LD that completely masks the SD? Correct?
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There was a 4-digit large-font date struck that made the LD/SD working dies. The master for 1858 was a small date that made the hubs that made the dies, etc. You can't have a LD coin that wasn't stamped over a small date.
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I think it is essentially impossible to have a large date that completely obliterates the small date under it because of the large openings in the centers of the LD 8s.
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