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How Clean Should A Roman Coin Be?

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Hi

i just got some Roman Coins and I was woundering how Clean do you need to get tham

i was told that you should not make them Shiny if you do it will not be worth the same as one thats just had the dirt removed ?

please can any one Shed light on this for me

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 Posted 07/04/2008  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nohope587 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Generally removing surface contaminates seems to be accepted but anything that removes any of the metal from the coin itself is not going to do you or the coin any good. I have had a silver roman Dinar in olive oil for close to 5 years now its only by looking at the pictures I take every 6 months or so that I can see any difference but slowly the grime is coming away from the coin. I tried an ultra sonic cleaner on some bronze ones with mixed results. I know people clean ancients but I have no idea how the professionals do it.
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oh ok so just let them soke
so is it better to have them Shiny like new again aor like my Avatar wich is not shiny ?


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There are different schools of thought on cleaning Romans, but many would agree that taking off the surface dirt (which is usually more like concrete) acquired when the coin lay buried for a millenium and a half, or more, is acceptable. Removing the surface patina of the coin (to make it "shiny") is not, so that in other words taking the coin back to its appearance at the point in time when it was buried should be your object. As for methods of removal of surface crud ... I'll leave that commentary to the experts, but soaking in olive oil and/or distilled water and gentle hand washing in simple dish soap and water are also acceptable.
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The general rule of thumb is to clean an uncleaned ancient coin until it is identifiable. This takes skill and patience, neither of which I have.

The two main difficulties involved with cleaning ancients:

1. In many cases, the coins have accumulated a thick oxide layer, or patina, and the surface details are preserved only in this patina. Usually, this is in turn encased in a layer of "dirt", and the boundary between dirt and patina can in some instances be very hard to spot. The details in the patina can be easily destroyed by a hasty, careless cleaning job.

2. Some coins simply never have any recoverable details, no matter how carefully you clean or how much patina is or isn't removed. Maybe they were buried in a highly corrosive environment, or they may have simply been very well worn in ancient circulation before they were buried. It's educated guesswork whether a particular uncleaned coin will wind up a "slug" or a "hidden gem".

A collector of modern coins who starts to collect ancients must unlearn what they have learned. Green is good. Shiny is bad. Cleaning coins (once) is not only acceptable, but necessary. "Mint errors" like off-centre, double-struck etc. cause a coin to go down in value, not up. And minor varieties and variations rarely cause a great shift in value.
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Richard Barnes: can you post a pic of that coin you have soking for 5 years

sap: thank you for the info

pls: thank you for the info
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If you were in Rome a few thousand years ago a dirty coin would probably be just as good as a clean one. However, presently I would leave well enough alone unless you really know what your doing. If whatever you do ruins the coin, it is not easy to go back in time for another one.
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