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1922 No D Lincoln Cent "Grade?strong Or Weak?"

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Sniped this one at a pawn shop in the rough side of town across the tracks literally. Any opinions on a grade or variety? The squiggle on head is lint not damage.
Opinions welcome. Crop and rotate misbehaving, sorry.
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Could you give us a close-up of just the date area?
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It's a weak reverse.
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Boy Cammy, I don't know. I see a slight vertical tic for where a MM would be but it is too undefined to say if it is a weak at all. I'm not convinced of the second digit being a 2, may be a 3. Why I say that, damage flatting non-withstanding, is the center left has no gap like the first 2 does. Yes I know the second is weak on the die pairs #1, But on the strong reverse(pair 2) second 2 is stronger too.


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The 1922 "plain" or "no d" can be produced from four different die pairs. Die Pairs #1, #3 and #4 produce either
a "weak D" or a "No D". Die Pair #2, which is the most desirable of the four die pairs, always produces a "No D".

In 1922 only the Denver Mint was responsible for producing Lincoln Cents. Both Mints were busy producing
millions of Silver Dollars. No nickels, dimes, quarters, or half dollars were produced in 1922. The creation of all
four die pairs was the result of the Denver Mint running out of usable dies with thousands of cents needed to be
struck to fill their quota.

Die Pairs #1, #3 and #4 were the result of "mint grease", which is a combination of dirt, metal, and oil, filling the
area of the mintmark. Mint grease would fill the mintmark gradually, resulting in different levels of "weakness". It
is believed that the mint grease would fall out, then refill creating a cycle of normal D's, broken D's, weak D's, and
no D's. When looking at circulated examples of 1922 D's, keep in mind that the mintmark could have simply be
worn from use. Die Pairs #1, #3 and #4 have "weak reverses" because they were struck with worn reverse dies.

Die Pair #2 is not believed to be the result of "mint grease". A pair of dies that were creating 1922 D's clashed
together. The clash resulted in damage to both the obverse and reverse die. The reverse die was badly
damaged, and replaced with a newer less worn die. The obverse die was reworked by a mint employee who
erased all traces of the D mintmark while repairing and polishing the die. The result is a worn obverse die with no
trace of a mintmark and a strong reverse die.
http://www.lincolncentresource.com/...rieties.html


All 1922 weak D or No D coins fall into one of 7 categories:
1. Die Pair #1 Weak D (Weak Reverse)
2. Die Pair #1 No D (Weak Reverse)
3. Die Pair #2 No D (Strong Reverse) also called 1922 Plain
4. Die Pair #3 Weak D (Weak Reverse)
5. Die Pair #3 No D (Weak Reverse)
6. Die Pair #4 Weak D (Weak Reverse)
7. Die Pair #4 No D (Weak Reverse)


So if any ID I would venture a "weak D", but possibly a Die #! if you can mark the reverse die cracks.
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Too worn, abraded and corroded to attribute IMO.
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I'm not sure on this etheir.
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Maybe these will help.
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Nope - still can't tell about that last #
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Still think yours is a '23...note shape of center indent, also proves it is a Philly mint coin
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More than the indents, I think it's the bottom of the last two digits that suggests 1923, or even 1928 - the first is clearly flat, and the second blurred outline appears much more rounded.
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The coin is a breakout from a bodybag, I couldn't resist poping it out to slam in my whitman. Cost me the equivalent of a tank of gas $50.00.
Traditionally I should wait till tomorrow but heading to Wichita tonight and since everyone busted me anyways I will spill the beans. Phil's coins in Wichita has some raw and slabbed goodies along with bukoo bank rolled cents woohoo.
Got to hand it to you folks you know your Lincoln's.
Newbies, just a suggestion "buy the key dates certified".

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If it's unverifiable then how can they put 1922 NO D on the label?
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The coin is a breakout from a bodybag


So why all the mystery and quizzing the CCF experts?

You knew the answers before you asked the questions. Our experts are here to help - but there is also an expectation that the knowledge shared supports numismatic growth and education - and not a test for us.


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Got to hand it to you folks you know your Lincoln's.


See my comments above - and concur that the few volunteer CCF experts do indeed know their subject master areas of expertise.

Politely suggest that your inquiries going forward are based on knowledge you need to gain - not testing our valued folks on what they know ... which your thread gives the appearance of doing.
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10-4 no not testing graders actually didn't know what this thing was never saw one like this listed. If I rubbed anyone please accept apology. Bought it in the bag from pawnshop, owner is convinced it was a real 22 "says right there see". Using info I gathered on forum but in a scattered way I bought this thing unsure of all pickups associated with the example and the possibility it might be an AG3
Those that posted thanks, everyone is pretty much correct now I know what its not. Will put the clown suit away.
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No problem. I enjoyed the discussion, and especially the PCGS label, which is just comical. It is "Unverifiable" but has a "Strong Reverse"? Apparently the reverse IS verifiable as a 1922 Plain, but not the obverse.















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08/01/2018 8:13 pm
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THAT right there is why I question the veracity of PCGS when it come to varieties and attributions...PERIOD! The vague label and even the Provence from PCGS you provided is really quite miserable IMHO. I really have a very hard time seeing a "strong reverse" as is on this one, reverse wear is far more progressed than obverse if that be so. I don't think I would have even bothered, even to just get the odd label! I do like my UGS slab!
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