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I think it might have been a good idea doing a "you vs. PCGS" title here so people go into the thread knowing that they're just there to test their grading vs experts primarily, while giving their opinions on the coin secondarily.
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Good thread. Always fascinated with 1922 LWC's since a kid. Moreso than 09SVDB or the 1955 DD
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Well, I enjoyed scratching my head over that and getting confirmation of what I'd been observing looking at auctions tracked by PCGS. Now I'm sure they misgrade these things, not often but often enough. I think it was OK to post for independent unbiased assessment and comment before showing that gross id tag to Coinfrog's point. Especially having thought you got a deal for $50 on a die 2. Impressive analysis with a twist, I thought. I'm glad you guys dissected it because I wasn't seeing any markers at all on it. So I'm the guy that just bought that e-bay AU55 Die 1 coin. I'm not sure if this is the place to share that experience and links. Let me know, I was pretty excited, and way overbid! I'm buying up some of the lower quality ones too, so let me know if you happen to be bidding on one.
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"Cert Number was not found". What am I missing here?  Does "do not holder" also mean "do not record in cert database"?
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Won this one on the bay tonight looks pretty good for a VF weak reverse 1922. Researched NGC auction results and it went for $322.00 on 7/15/2012 during 2012 summer fun Orlando sale. These things sure get around. GreatCollections have some nice strong reverse 1922's on the block this week and next. Crazybo I know, but I don't have a small file to grind a D off of a 22 D. You gotta admit their pretty bad to the bone. Enjoy all.   
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Quote: If it's unverifiable then how can they put 1922 NO D on the label? You're overthinking it. The label is to keep track of it so they know what it belongs with ect. They could put literally anything on the label and it wouldn't matter since it has the do not holder Quote: "Cert Number was not found". What am I missing here? Does "do not holder" also mean "do not record in cert database"? Yes. They called it a fake or unverifiable therefore the cert and the bodybag are nothing more than their internal record and nothing is entered into the viewable database since they won't slab fakes or things they aren't sure about.
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Think that is Die Pair #1 Cammy. Note the letters in TRUST. The rest of the markers are hard to see by the pix, reverse doesn't show crack in O but that may not be there, the O is solid now. Not Pair 4 or 2. Quote: Die Pair #1:  The easiest way to classify Die Pair #1 is the Jogging Die Crack running from L in Pluribus through O in One. However, this die crack is not always present. Also, be aware that there exists a 1922 D variety with a straight die crack in the same location.  The second 2 in date is weaker than the first 2.  The first T in Trust is more distinct than the other letters. Furthermore, the T, U, and T in TRUST are stronger than the R and S.  WE is very mushy.  Reverse is very weak, usually with no lines in the wheat e
Edited by Crazyb0 08/04/2018 11:23 pm
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Thanks Crazybo for the details on the various die varietys, without your chart I was just not grasping it. Would have taken me a week. I have a sloppy G 6 strong reverse I'm stuck with and wanted the weak reverse to pair it up with. This VF-20 blows my strong reverse away. What is it with these? I have 100 greasors but they don't cost hundreds? I know your take on these...but I'm still crazy bout them 22 no D's.
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I agree with the fascination for this coin, and am impressed with some of the knowledge people here have about the die pairs and how to identify them. Cool stuff. Here's mine, a PCGS G6 Strong Reverse. I think it is somewhat generously graded (I'd call it AG), but I'm not complaining.  
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: What is it with these? I have 100 greasors but they don't cost hundreds? I know your take on these...but I'm still crazy bout them 22 no D's. The other 3 die pairs seem to be more scarce than DP2. I see DP2's for sale all the time, online, coin shows and web. They are quite popular (and expensive). Subsequently, many are looking to save some money so they go for the other die pairs....which they quickly find out they are hard to find. Here's one of mine, I sent it to ANACS and didn't know they only certify the DP2 as a "no D". This is a genuine "no D" regardless of the slab:   
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Sweet one badthad I know the die#2 is all over the place slabbed at $490.00 plus. I wouldn't throw my die #2 back but the die #1.3. and 4 are so fun to look at and try and figure out. The slabbed weak reverse VF-20 I showed above came in mail today, its the die #1 all characteristics present but just wont photograph at all in that NGC holder. Left wheat stalk actually has 4 upper lines half clear showing, right stalk was never there to begin with. I hadn't realized the no D weaks were infrequently encountered until I started looking at auction results and its apparent. These baby's just feel good don't they? warm fuzzys all over. How about that rascal in the bodybag 22 poser I showed, its in my Abe folder now.Im deluding myself...might be? Oh boy here I go again. Excellent brown color in yours. Did you see coinfrogs raw 22? Its unbelievable.
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I've got one as such like you have. It's always great not knowing if you have a $0.03 wheat or a $3000 wheat.
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Picked this one up today $52.00 hammer down and it looks to be a real weakling. Love all varietys of the 1922 D the weaker the better. Looking forward to close scrutiny of this one. Would love to pick up die #3 in an ANACS holder labeled weak D or die #4 also. Problem is so would just about everyone else. The bodybagged 1922 I started this thread about is growing exponentially in my head, has affected my thought process where I want all 4 dies.This 22 fever is getting outta hand. 
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"The Great Fever of 1922" 
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Edited by BadThad 08/14/2018 9:12 pm
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