Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Specializing in Modern Numismatics Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin Auctions300,000 items to help build your collection! Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes.








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Silk Road Native Silver - Samarkand Sogdia AR "Archer" Obols

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 6 / Views: 2,876Next Topic  
Pillar of the Community
Finn235's Avatar
United States
6130 Posts
 Posted 08/14/2018  11:25 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
So I bought these nearly two years ago, but never took them out of the seller's 2x2 for images.

All of these coins are from the Silk Road, in historical eastern Sogdia near Samarkand, located in Uzbekistan today. They are anonymous, scarce-ish, and a total enigma... some believe they were made in the last few centuries BC, while some argue a date as late as the 6th century AD. They usually weigh about 0.4-0.5 grams, and larger denominations (Hyrcodes types) are rather rare, indicating these were intended to supplement imported Greek, Roman, Parthian, Hunnic or Sassanian silvers.

The obverse features a king's bust left, usually bearded with wavy hair and highly stylized. Early iterations have degenerate Greek or Sogdian legends.

The reverse is an archer, originally with the legend BAΣIΛEΩΣ ANTIOXOY. I cannot figure out which Seleucid coin these purport to copy. The legend is quickly lost to dots, the archer dons a rather Kushan-looking coat, and somewhere along the evolutionary path the archer's head is lost. Most seem to place the archer's hand on his hip, whole some appear to be holding something.

There are also iterations that replace the obverse portrait with a Sogdian legend or monogram. Early types sometimes have a stylized horse head rather than an archer. Those types are an order of magnitude more expensive, so I only have the archer type to share today

Coin 1
An unfortunately broken example covered with horn silver, we can make out the earlier style portrait, and the archer may have a head. The archer seems to be holding something (Arrow, scepter, or palm?) Over his shoulder.

Silk-Road-Native-Silver---Samarkand-Sogdia-AR-

Coin 2
Also broken, we can see the stylization taking place.
Silk-Road-Native-Silver---Samarkand-Sogdia-AR-

Coin 3
Coins that are fully intact are actually the exception, not the rule. Here we see the bust has a small moustache, and the archer has simplified into an hour glass outline. He is holding something at his hip, but it displays as just dots.
Silk-Road-Native-Silver---Samarkand-Sogdia-AR-

Coin 4
Similar to the last one, but we can see traces of the Sogdian legend in front of the face. The archer again is holding a string of dots, but now they wrap around the hem of the coat.
Silk-Road-Native-Silver---Samarkand-Sogdia-AR-

Coin 5
This one is in exceptionally high relief for the type! We can see traces of the legend here, but the bust is more stylized, and has no cheek. The archer is in relief, rather than outlines.
Silk-Road-Native-Silver---Samarkand-Sogdia-AR-

Coin 6
Finally we get to some extreme stylization; my mind can't even sort out the obverse until I get the orientation right! Again the archer is in relief rather than outlines, and appears to be holding something at his hip. Pellets surround the archer; probably vestigial bits of the legend.
Silk-Road-Native-Silver---Samarkand-Sogdia-AR-


Thanks for looking, and feel free to chime in with any examples you may have!
Moderator
Learn More...
echizento's Avatar
United States
23731 Posts
 Posted 08/14/2018  2:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Steve you have taken over from Nate at finding the most obscure coins. I've been wanting to find some coins from Samarkand, just the name of the city make me think of the tale of 1001 Nights. Interesting and scarce lot.
Pillar of the Community
United States
1554 Posts
 Posted 08/14/2018  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These coins are a favorite of mine. There are few references. The best (only?) is Zeimal (1983), Drevnie Monety Tajikistana (in Russian). These coins are believed to have been fiduciary drachms which circulated only in Samarkand and surrounding areas. This circulation zone extended into one corner of what is today Tajikistan, thus drawing Zeimal's attention. The 4th- to 5th-century date is confirmed by hoard evidence and by the name "Kidara" (Sogdian kydr) which appears on some of the coins. The ultimate prototype for the archer seems to be the seated Apollo used on coins of Antiochus I. Like the Indo-Sasanian coins, these coins of Samarkand are hundreds of years removed from their prototype and some effort is required to visualize their evolution. The archer series fills the gap at Samarkand between the end of the Kushan coinage and the adoption of Sasanian coinage under the Hephthalites in the early 6th century.

Fun stuff!

Silk-Road-Native-Silver---Samarkand-Sogdia-AR-
Silk-Road-Native-Silver---Samarkand-Sogdia-AR-
Edited by Kushanshah
08/14/2018 8:36 pm
Pillar of the Community
Kamnaskires's Avatar
United States
7066 Posts
 Posted 08/14/2018  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I too like these coins very much, although I've never collected them.

Interesting timing for the post, Steve. It serves as a nice precursor for a presentation I'll be enjoying this Thursday evening. Received this email just today (I literally read this just before reading your post here):

"Dear Members and Friends,

The next meeting for the St Louis Ancient Coin Study Group (ACSG) is scheduled for:

Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 7 pm
Location - Star Coins, 1356 S 5th St, St Charles, Mo 63301
Doors open around 6 pm.

This month's presentation will be 'The Coins of The Silk Road, 3rd to 11th Century' by Ed Rataj
Come and learn all about this fascinating subject."
Pillar of the Community
Finn235's Avatar
United States
6130 Posts
 Posted 08/15/2018  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the comments all! Keep us posted about that Seminar, Bob! I'm jealous - there is zero interest in ancient coins where I live.

@KS, you raise some interesting points. I wonder what sort of coins show up in the hoards? Or were they homogenous? I had personally subscribed to the theory that these were earlier coins, but given how many centuries the Gadhaiya or Bull & Horseman coins stuck around, I could accept that these could be early medieval coins.

What doesn't make sense in my mind:

1) The archer seems to he a totally novel invention; I don't think it would be fair to call him Apollo any more than the Great King on Achaemenid sigloi. Seleucid coinage show Apollo either seated or gracefully standing, nude, usually with bow at his side. The distinctive dress in particular is something I would not expect to see on coinage before the Kushans post-Soter Megas.

2) The existence of Greek legends on early iterations I think may be indicative of both an early genesis date for the type, and can probably be explained as the issuing authority saying "Greek is the language of powerful people. Get me a Greek coin and copy the inscription."

3) I could stand to be corrected, but I believe Vima Kaphises was the last ruler of India/Central Asia to inscribe coins in Greek; the script was adopted for Bactrian, which is a fundamentally different language.
Pillar of the Community
United States
1554 Posts
 Posted 08/15/2018  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Finn235 It's been a couple of years since I read Zeimal (with massive assistance from Google Translate). The plates below from Zeimal show reasonably clearly the evolution from the prototypes, which had circulated in Central Asia. The Kushans, for the most part, struck only gold and copper. There are two types of these Samarkand "obols" or fiduciary drachms, one with the horse head reverse and the other with the archer, both derived from coins of Antiochus. The existence of blundered Greek on the earliest local iterations is simply an artifact of the prototype. It is unlikely to have held any meaning beyond "this is what silver money looks like". The Greek was relatively soon replaced with Sogdian. As I recall, three Sogdian names/ inscriptions are known including the name "Kidara", a well-known character of the period. This dates are confirmed (if I remember correctly) by hoards found in structures built at that time.
Silk-Road-Native-Silver---Samarkand-Sogdia-AR-
Silk-Road-Native-Silver---Samarkand-Sogdia-AR-
Silk-Road-Native-Silver---Samarkand-Sogdia-AR-
Edited by Kushanshah
08/15/2018 6:17 pm
Pillar of the Community
Finn235's Avatar
United States
6130 Posts
 Posted 08/16/2018  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for providing the scans! Very interesting to see that evolution.

As an interesting side note, I remembered reading from my first research binge that these coins were once considered extremely rare, but a large hoard or two came to light in (I think?) the mid-2000s, which made the market prices come crashing down. I guess that is one of the risks when dropping major bucks on a coin for rarity's sake!
  Previous TopicReplies: 6 / Views: 2,876Next Topic  

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.34 seconds to rattle this change. Forums