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1795 Half Dollar Grafitti?

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Hello to all:
This coin, which is up for sale, is graded XF40 CAC. While it is a truly beautiful specimen, there is an "X" in the right obverse field that appears to me to be grafitti. I realize that coins of this era are given some leniency, but I didn't think it applied to graffiti. Or am I wrong, and this is not graffiti? Apparently it did not bother them over at CAC. It would be great to read some comments on this. Thanks for taking the time to read. KK
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That doesn't bother me at all with this coin even though I don't bother with problem coins . To me that's a showcase coin I could be proud to own .
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An X could occur naturally, usually graffiti is with several marks. Could it be intentional? Yes. Could it be accidental? Also yes.
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Almost certainly not enough to details this coin, and seeing as most of the ones PCGS grade XF-40 look either VF or cleaned OR both I can understand why CAC liked this one. (And this is coming from someone who almost never agrees with CAC, so do with that what you will).
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It must not be that noticeable in hand or I think they would have "details" it. I'd love to have this piece even with that mark.
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For a newbie, which I consider myself, this situation continues to confuse me. I have no idea how the TPG determine straight or details for this type of issue. This isn't the first time I've saw these type of marks on coins in straight holders, especially the 18th century issues. If I'm buying it is a details coin. If I'm selling, well the holder says straight and CAC agrees. All that being said she is a beauty that I would be proud to own.
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I can see why it was straight graded with CAC. Nice original surfaces in a relatively higher grade. Even with the X shaped mark I would love to own it.
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Hard to know for sure whether the X mark was deliberate or random, and given how attractive the coin is, I think it was reasonable to give it the benefit of the doubt.
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Doesn't bother me. If I remember right,way back when people who couldn't write signed with an X.
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For me it does take a little away on eye appeal,probablly intentional? but,hey 1795....oh my!
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I shy away from this sort of thing normally, but I could live with this one. Handsome indeed.
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Wow, Frog is weakening.
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No , Frog knows a treasurable coin when he sees one .
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For a newbie, which I consider myself, this situation continues to confuse me. I have no idea how the TPG determine straight or details for this type of issue


Straight grade vs details is always a judgement. In this case the marks are old on an other wise very attractive beautiful coin. Early coins had a hard life trying to survive and were not minted that well, yes an attractive coin like that will have a better shot at a small issue being over looked.


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If I'm buying it is a details coin.


You won't ever sniff coins like that for details prices.
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I would not call that X graffiti in terms of graffiti detailing an otherwise problem-free coin. If that makes any sense.

Can we see the reverse?
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You won't ever sniff coins like that for details prices.

That is so true.
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