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1982 P Lincoln Cent With Peripheral Die Expansion And Erosion Beginning?

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I found this in a circulated bankroll, from a bank box of U.S. Pennies last week. It's in a Very Late Die State, and it might be starting to show Peripheral Die Expansion And Erosion? Any help would be great. Here's the link to the error I'm talking about.
http://www.error-ref.com/peripheral...and-erosion/
http://goccf.com/t/325089
1982-P-Lincoln-Cent-With-Peripheral-Die-Expansion-And-Erosion-Beginning?
1982-P-Lincoln-Cent-With-Peripheral-Die-Expansion-And-Erosion-Beginning?
1982-P-Lincoln-Cent-With-Peripheral-Die-Expansion-And-Erosion-Beginning?
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I think you may be right there. The truncated details on the obverse on G-D are quite noticeable as are the USA on reverse. I wonder if not also a slight tilted die (but centered?) showing as a deeper impression on the lower half of the reverse? I have indeed seen that same thing. I have a tray of 1982's left, maybe I oughta look for these!
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Thank you Crazyb0 for taking a look! My example is similar to 11997755's example. Although, his example is more severe than mine. I'm going to keep this, and add it to my collection, since it's very interesting to look at. Maybe I should contact Mike Diamond, so he can give us his answer?
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Interesting also as another sign of extreme die age is the PIDT going on. How about dramatic die flow lines?
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I do see the Progressive Indirect Design Transfer going on a little bit on the reverse. I also see a lot of die flow lines (mainly at the top), as well as mushyness of the devices and details. Lincoln's head is pretty deteriorated too. It's a good example of a Very Late Die State coin. The die was at its end of its life, and should have been retired.
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The die was at its end of its life, and should have been retired.


The mint could care less about variety coins, that is what this coin is, it is not an error coin. An error is when the mint did something wrong, not retiring a die early enough is not an error, it is a variety, or a progression of a die state.
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I love collecting Very Late Die State coins, especially when they look like this. I keep them for educational purposes, so I can teach new members on here.
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The mint could care less about variety coins
the mints job was to push the dies as long as they could, and put as many cent coins into circulation, for as cheap as they could manage..
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Here's the link to the error I'm talking about.
that's what you called it.. and I replied with
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or a progression of a die state.
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The mintage for 1982 Cents were almost 11 billion (that's why the pushed the dies for so long, so they can get as many strikes out of one die as possible), Mark told me in a private email. I pretty much collect what I want, because it's a very fun to do, even if it's not worth anything. Silverwolf, don't try to start an argument etheir, as I'm NOT in the mood for it at all. (it's not needed or necessary). On error-ref.com, it's categorized as a die error. You need to read my description, before you speak.
Peripheral Die Expansion And Erosion.

BTW, it's technically an error.


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Part IV. Die Errors:
Die Deterioration/Deformation Errors:
Peripheral Die Expansion and Erosion
Definition: This error is characterized by radial expansion of the die face, excluding the rim gutter. The field portion of the die face and the peripheral design elements migrate outward, forming a thin shelf over the rim gutter that is immediately and continuously eroded. The result is abrupt truncation of the peripheral letters where they crowd against the design rim. This error has so far only been detected on some 1982 cents, but it probably more widespread.
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An error is when the mint did something wrong,


Actually if they didn't check the coins coming of the die and thus did not replace them in a timely matter wouldn't that be an error on the mint employees part?
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if they didn't check the coins coming of the die and thus did not replace them in a timely matter wouldn't that be an error on the mint employees part?


To my understanding, it would technically be an error (on the employees part). For an example, this is technically an error, since they didn't take the die out of service in time. https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-c...ers.all.html
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Yes, you've got the very early stages of PDEE.
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Thank you Mike Diamond for responding! It's very well appreciated! I had the feeling, that I had it. That's pretty cool.
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