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Plucked this out of a bin of "junk" coppers today.

Token,-Apparently-French

Token,-Apparently-French

See: https://clubnumismatiquenantais.com...fortmer.html

I'd certainly like to know more about this if anybody has some additional information on it.

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That thing is very nice find that one is for sale for almost 290 dollars right?
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I think it is a 19th century token for a brothel : maison close or bordel in Franch . It was most of time managed by a woman : Madame Ernest and was situated at the first floor , where often was a piano room in the bigger houses . Looking the asked price , maybe the house still exists....albert
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...maybe the house still exists.

Well, the address definitely still does, it's locatable on a map of Rochefort. I couldn't find a street view photo to see what the present day building looks like, though.

As a token, perhaps admission to that ground floor salon? Or alternatively purely an advertising piece?

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As a token, perhaps admission to that ground floor salon

Um, no. France follows the British usage and so 1st Floor is what Americans call the 2nd floor.
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France follows the British usage and so 1st Floor is what Americans call the 2nd floor.

A convention of which I wasn't aware, and thus the faux pas on my part.

The essence of my question remains, however.

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After a little research, it seems that piano does not refer to a pianoforte. It simply means that it is the principal room of the house situated one floor up from the street. Not heard this usage in French before but it probably derives from the Italian piano nobile:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_nobile

Rochefort sur Mer is a port town and was a base for the French Navy. It was also accustomed to seeing American GIs in WWI. There is little doubt as to the nature of Madame Ernest's occupation as Rue du Port and the roads around it, Rue des Mousses, Rue Toufaire were known for offering these services. Indeed the last of the old time maisons closes, La Bohème, only closed its doors in 2010.
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Rochefort sur Mer is a port town and was a base for the French Navy. It was also accustomed to seeing American GIs in WWI.

Being on the Bay of Biscay where multiple Unterseeboot bases were located, I imagine there'd have been a strong possibility of the German segler being around during the Second World War. Possibly soldaten of the Heer as well.

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