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david chivers New Member United Kingdom 5 Posts	Posted 07/09/2008 3:30 pm i have an 1871 cc Trade dollar seated in fairly good condition would anyone like to tell me what they think it's worth as there seems to be conflicting net infor on whether proof dollars where minted this year Please note that the coin I have is 1871 not 1881 first posted and ignore the first reply Bimbo or bimlo did I say it was real Quite all right old chap Seems like someone went to a lot of trouble to make a fake and get the date wrong? My record is completely clean although I did get 3 points for exceeding the speed limit in the UK by 7 mph around 8 years ago Thank you for the warning. However this I bought in Saudi Arabia not china 2 dollars seems not so much for silver but I think I might have been had as I paid 90 riyals I bought it because I liked it and it reminded me of those marvelous trips I had when I was younger when your government asked me to come over and do some work for the ARNG and DEA. I have only had it a few days and I thought it might help me when I need a lucky coin to toss if I have to make some important decisions. I came onto this web site because some of my Americian guys I work with thought it was real and I should seek some advice. It is interesting that a Biokemist is almost certain without a test. Reminds me of a french professor who thought it was impossible for Northern Ireland to beat England at Soccer. Finally is it possible to determine how old this coin is fake or not. Image: DSC00263.jpg 47.79 KB Image: DSC00264.jpg 46.46 KB * Edited by Forum Dad to remove YELLING * I have been doing some research seems that they where minting Seated Liberty dollars since 1870. Quite a scandle around the activities of this mint. Oh, yes... the museum also traces the history of the Carson City Mint, from its creation to its anticlimactic ending. Coin collectors will salivate at the sight of a complete assemblage of "CC" Morgan silver dollars, and other rare coins struck within these same confines over a century ago. Venerable Coin Press #1, a charter member of the "CC" Mint, is still used to this very day to produce medallions. Image courtesy of Nevada State Museum. The centerpiece of the numismatic section is "Coin Press No. 1". A steam-powered press manufactured in Philadelphia, Coin Press No. 1 struck the very first "CC" mintmark coin in 1870, the Liberty Seated silver dollar. After the Carson City Mint halted striking operations in 1893 and all coining machinery removed in 1899, Press No. 1 was relocated to the Philly Mint. In 1930, it was upgraded to electrical power. When the San Francisco Mint needed another press in 1945, No. 1 was then transferred to the Golden State. In 1955, the press was slated to be scrapped, but a group of businessmen arranged for the state of Nevada to purchase it for $225. Three years later, Coin Press No. 1 was welcomed back to familiar surroundings in Carson City, where it quickly became one of the museum's favorite attractions Source http://www.us-coin-values-advisor.c...Gold%20Heist Oh, yes... the museum also traces the history of the Carson City Mint, from its creation to its anticlimactic ending. Coin collectors will salivate at the sight of a complete assemblage of "CC" Morgan silver dollars, and other rare coins struck within these same confines over a century ago. Venerable Coin Press #1, a charter member of the "CC" Mint, is still used to this very day to produce medallions. Image courtesy of Nevada State Museum. Edited by david chivers 07/10/2008 08:02 am Report this Post to the Staff

biokemist6 Bedrock of the Community United States 12437 Posts	Posted 07/09/2008 3:46 pm I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it is only worth a token amount since it is not real. No genuine 1881 CC Trade dollars exist and the last Carson City mintage of Trade dollars was 1878. The only TD mintage in 1881 was 960 proofs with no mint marks. 1881 or 71, it matters not- it is still a fake and almost certainly not silver you are never going to purchase a real TD in a Saudi Arabian market Edited by biokemist6 07/09/2008 5:56 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Bilbo Pillar of the Community United States 812 Posts	Posted 07/09/2008 4:17 pm A couple issues here. The coin pictured is an 1871-CC Trade dollar, not an 1881. It is a fake (probably Chinese), as no Trade dollars were produced before 1873. Report this Post to the Staff
Bilbo Pillar of the Community United States 812 Posts	Posted 07/09/2008 4:22 pm Please excuse my manners ... Welcome to the forum! (I hope you did not pay too much for this.) Report this Post to the Staff
halfabustisbetter Pillar of the Community United States 1984 Posts	Posted 07/09/2008 4:33 pm So the question is what it's worth? Well, if you sell it as genuine here in the US it's illegal so it's worth a fine and possibly--but not likely--some jail time depending on your offender status. If you sell it as a fake you might get a dollar or two. Report this Post to the Staff
Jaobler Pillar of the Community United States 6384 Posts	Posted 07/09/2008 5:17 pm To paraphrase the Monty Python Papperbok (which I have on my bookshelf at home), by now you understand that, if you are not completely satisfied, you have been had. Do you know for a fact that it is made of silver? If so it should be worth $10 or so for precious metal content. How much is 90 riyals, anyway? If you're tired of looking at this fantasy coin, put it on ebay with no reserve, accurately describe it as a counterfeit, and pocket whatever it sells for. Report this Post to the Staff
m9frank Pillar of the Community United States 628 Posts	Posted 07/09/2008 5:19 pm I have a genuine fake 1871 cc Trade dollar too! If I remember right I paid $10 for it. It is one of my favorite coins, I'm not sure why. Report this Post to the Staff
malissadawn Pillar of the Community Canada 1931 Posts	Posted 07/09/2008 5:37 pm my fake Trade dollar is from 1876! was this really popular to counterfeit for any particular reason? I love mine because the lettering is doubled to so it's more interesting. Report this Post to the Staff
bobby131313 Forum Dad United States 24154 Posts	Posted 07/09/2008 6:08 pm David I've sent you 2 emails requesting that you stop editing your original post and reply instead. It's almost impossible to follow the conversation without it being in order. I've locked your account until you reply to one of my emails to prevent further confusion. Shop CCF Members on eBay. Report this Post to the Staff
bobby131313 Forum Dad United States 24154 Posts	Posted 07/09/2008 6:13 pm Quote: It is interesting that a Biokemist is almost certain without a test. Reminds me of a french professor who thought it was impossible for Northern Ireland to beat England at Soccer. My money is on Biokemist. These Chinese fakes are made by the hundreds of thousands and almost anyone that has been collecting for any length of time is very familiar with them. Have an inside peek, you may even see the dies that made your fake if you look close who knows........ Shop CCF Members on eBay. Report this Post to the Staff
malissadawn Pillar of the Community Canada 1931 Posts	Posted 07/09/2008 6:21 pm wow!! I have to be honest here, those pictures make me a little sick to my stomach, horrible that people can only make their fortunes so dishonestly. Report this Post to the Staff
david chivers New Member United Kingdom 5 Posts	Posted 07/09/2008 6:42 pm hi bobby looks very convincing, how do the make them look 150 years old and can they still make a profit when they must be selling them for a few cents based on what I paid. david chivers Report this Post to the Staff
Collector 57 New Member Canada 17 Posts	Posted 07/09/2008 7:11 pm I,m glad I saw this post. Really makes you wonder. I have a counterfit 1851 20 Dollar California gold piece. It,s obviously not gold. A dealer told me it was counterfit and that there was alot of counterfitting in those days. He wanted to buy the coin as he said there was an unidentifiable metal in it. On the crown it says BALDWIN where most coins say liberty. Its one of my favorite coins, so I did not sell it. Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 07/09/2008 7:59 pm Quote: looks very convincing, how do the make them look 150 years old and can they still make a profit when they must be selling them for a few cents based on what I paid. "Weathering" a coin is relatively easily done. Remember, given the intrinsic value of a Trade dollar, it only needs to be identifiable to be worth a substantial profit. Many of these find their way to ebay, where unknowing buyers pay good money. Undoubtedly, a large number of counterfeits have a proud place in the collections of less-educated collectors. They cost almost nothing to make; chances are, whatever costs their manufacture incurs have been paid for by prior sales anyways. One decent ebay sale pays for 10,000 more like yours. Report this Post to the Staff
david chivers New Member United Kingdom 5 Posts	Posted 07/09/2008 8:07 pm thanks for the information on weathering, however I still don't understand why someone would go to such great lengths but put the wrong date on the coin. Report this Post to the Staff
Amazon99 Pillar of the Community United States 2443 Posts	Posted 07/09/2008 8:12 pm Quote: It is interesting that a Biokemist is almost certain without a test. Reminds me of a french professor who thought it was impossible for Northern Ireland to beat England at Soccer. He did perform a test, that you actually provided. The look test. And it failed. I looked at it and without even having to look in my book I can tell it's fake. As to it's age, it's anyone's guess. This things have been counterfeited since they were first made and they're still being counterfeited. A laboratory might be able to test it to find out what type of material it is and how old that material is(doesn't necessary mean that's when the coin was made). All of this would be very costly of course. Report this Post to the Staff
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