Help Identify The Orphans #2 | Milan 20 Soldi 1724

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halfabustisbetter Pillar of the Community United States 1984 Posts	Posted 07/11/2008 3:37 pm Another one that's been waiting for complete ID; all help appreciated.--HABIB Edited by Sap 07/14/2008 10:23 am Report this Post to the Staff

bart Pillar of the Community Belgium 651 Posts	Posted 07/11/2008 4:17 pm I think this must be a 20 soldi from Milan. The legends say: CAROLUS VI IMP(erator) ET HI(spaniarum)REX, MEDIO(lanum) DUX ET C(omes) = Charles VI, emperor and king of Spain, duke and count of Milan. On the reverse are the Austrian arms of Milan. XX = 20 soldi. This type is not in Krause yet. Report this Post to the Staff
halfabustisbetter Pillar of the Community United States 1984 Posts	Posted 07/11/2008 4:21 pm Thanks, that probably explains why I couldn't find it in Krause! Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16866 Posts	Posted 07/13/2008 06:24 am I have to say, I'm a bit worried about this one. The absence from Krause is nothing particularly unusual - the 1700's volume, and to a greater extent the 1600's volume, can still be regarded as "works in progress". It's the ones that are listed in Krause that worry me. Specifically, the shape of the crown is quite different on all the other Milan coins - this spiky crown is more commonly found on coins of the house of Medici, such as Livorno. Milan used to be a Medici duchy, so maybe the Austrian conquerors used it in the sense of "we've conquered milan and can use this crown now", but if so, they only used it on this coin; all their other Milanese coins use the Imperial crown, like the crown on this one. I'd love to be proved wrong. What's the provenance? Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
halfabustisbetter Pillar of the Community United States 1984 Posts	Posted 07/13/2008 09:58 am I agree that the crown is worrisome from that perspective, I would think that such iconogtaphy would be a significant factor in the creation of a local coinage. Though the date is fairly early in the Austrian rule, I wonder whether there would still be confusion about the proper crown design. Either it's deliberate, as you say, or the coin is perhaps a fantasy piece/counterfeit. This was not a primary part of a lot purchased some years ago, and beyond that I don't know anything about the coin's history--also potentially worrisome. I note that I haven't seen any of these before or since. If it's a fake, it would be great to find some others, and I've looked--but only casually. I'll have to be more diligent in my search from now on. Thanks. Report this Post to the Staff
DCH Pillar of the Community United States 645 Posts	Posted 07/13/2008 11:26 am http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotvi...=335&Lot=800 There are a few examples of this coin on coinarchives. The X Soldi is pictured in Schon "Duetscher Munzkatalog" with dates of 1723-1727, XX Soldi is listed but not pictured, 1723-1726. Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16866 Posts	Posted 07/13/2008 6:56 pm Well, that's a relief! I searched CoinArchives and came up nada. So how come the German name for the Duchy of Milan is "Mailand", anyway?!? How's an Anglophone s'posed to know that? Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
halfabustisbetter Pillar of the Community United States 1984 Posts	Posted 07/13/2008 11:10 pm Ausgezeichnet! Report this Post to the Staff
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