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Is This 1854 Braided Hair Large Cent Cleaned Or Original?

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You guys can't with certainty come to that conclusion based on these pics. Over-reaching and assumptions based off of poor pics leads to bad advice. Something that is way too prevalent on this site.


Not sure what you are trying to say here, but this is clearly a cleaned coin. A coin with original surfaces would have a different color to it - this one has several earmarks of a cleaned coin.

I completely agree with Ploopy.
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With the pictures available, I'm leaning towards cleaned and wouldn't spend good money on this coin. I would like to see better pictures (especially the obverse) and out of the flip.
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Won't let me post the link
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Looks like you're trying to link to a website that has been banned by CCF. That doesn't bode well. Shoot me a pm with the link. @SD, I meant exactly what I said. Try rereading it and stop taking everything so personal.
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It's got that dipped copper look to it
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@SD, I meant exactly what I said. Try rereading it and stop taking everything so personal.


Let's agree that any and all of our assessments here at the CCF are based on doing the best we can, and for anyone to respond to you is not taking anything personal.
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Silver Dollar: you just 'painted the tape' by editing your original response of which I responded to. Really, dude? Stop paying games.

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Is there some residue coming off inside the flip?
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Silver Dollar: you just 'painted the tape' by editing your original response of which I responded to. Really, dude? Stop paying games.


I am not trying to "play games" here at all. Here is what I edited out of my "original" response:


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So I am giving the OP bad advice now?



I am just offering my honest opinion. I believe that the pics provided are adequate, and I can base my opinion (that this coin is cleaned) on them.
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Well thanks for coming clean about it Silver Dollar. I'm sure you realize that by editing out portions of your comments during an exchange with another user, that the missing copy might make the other user look like a jerk. Thanks for coming clean.
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Been dipped,


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It's got that dipped copper look to it

Dipping ain't cleaning.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Regardless of cleaning or not, pretty good condition. For a decent price, I'd buy that one. I've bought a lot of so called cleaned coins. As long as not harshly cleaned, will tone down a bit some day.
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Dipping ain't cleaning.


Yes, you are correct, dipping a coin properly is not considered cleaning. However, it appears to me that this coin has been improperly dipped, IMO.
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Copper's got different rules on dipping
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I don't care what stupid euphemisms people come up with like "recolored", if you are modifying the surface of the coin chemically or mechanically, it is no longer original or natural.

A collector or TPG can describe it as "altered surfaces", "questionable color", "dipped", "whizzed", "polished", "wiped", "cleaned", or any other term in use, but ultimately, they are just putting lipstick on a damaged pig. Dip away, or clean, whiz, and polish it as you will, as long as you're being honest with yourself and with others that it's no longer an original coin, even if you it looks twenty times better once you get done. I like to see numismatists as caretakers and conservators, not folks who destroy original coins because they're not shiny enough.
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