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Pillar of the Community
United States
4867 Posts |
Found this article: https://www.procon.org/headline.php...ineID=005402I am in favor of eliminating the penny. By themselves, they have little purchasing power. They are cumbersome to deal with and they look quite ugly. I'm sure you roll hunters know what I mean. As a cashier, I find them to be time consuming and most people leave their pennies in the take a penny tray anyways.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2023 Posts |
Many of the same arguments we've heard before but conveniently in one place.
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Moderator
 United States
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Here we go again.  An interesting link. Let me rebut the three listed pros for keeping the cent... Pro 1 - Incorrect. Rounding goes both ways, up or down to the nearest nickel. If they are smart, most places will round down cash payments since they are cheaper to process than electronic ones (transaction fees). Pro 2 - Incorrect. I say kill both and make the dime the new cent, but the reality is that a nickel can survive with a composition change, the cent cannot. No material will make the cent cost less that a cent, and that includes literally no material. Even if its components were free, manufacturing and logistic costs still exceed one cent. The plan should be eliminate the cent and fix the nickel at the same time. Pro 3 - Incorrect. These "charity jars" probably get just as many nickels and dimes these days, at the very least it is not all pennies. Most people I know just dump all their change in there because they do not want to mess with it in their purses or pockets. I have tossed my own in there (after examining it, of course). You need to try harder, penny apologists! 
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
999 Posts |
Canada did this after 2012. Australia did this after 1990. I know in Canada there was an initial outcry from some who wanted the penny maintained. Now no one cares. It really didn't negatively impact anything. If you pay with cash, retailers round to the nearest five cents. If you pay with plastic, you still pay the exact amount to the cent. The U.S. should have done this years ago, along with eliminating the dollar bill for a dollar coin and switching to the metric system! One step at a time though.
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Rest in Peace
United States
18456 Posts |
With the way they dump those Pennies into the bin It's a miracle to find an MS-67 or 68 with out any hits , dings or scratches .  BTW , I'm for losing the one cent Zincoln .
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Pillar of the Community
United States
927 Posts |
It seemed to me that some of the arguments made on both sides were inaccurate. Some interesting reading but not well thought out. By the way, I am in favor of eliminating the penny.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
772 Posts |
Quote: and switching to the metric system! In your dreams! 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
I think we should really keep the penny. Sounds nutty but what would happen to all those songs that use the Penny in them? 
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21786 Posts |
Can't get rid of the penny. You need it to pay the exact amount of State Tax. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------  Idea! How about combining State and Federal taxes? Hardly a new idea, and certainly not mine. The states get reimbursed according to their fiscal needs. It has been done in a lot of other countries.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
5825 Posts |
IMO the CENT for use in circulation ought to be eliminated from production. It costs more to produce than it's worth. BUT How about being struck as special items, like half dollars are? Then the Mint could charge enough to make them profitable AND the collecting community could get some satisfaction.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Valued Member
United States
110 Posts |
People tell you to give them your Two Cents worth, then they say they want a penny for your thoughts. Somewhere someone's making a penny. Steven Wright
Edited by pocketchange2 10/09/2018 12:05 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
6514 Posts |
@Kanga Quote: IMO the CENT for use in circulation ought to be eliminated from production. It costs more to produce than it's worth. BUT How about being struck as special items, like half dollars are? Then the Mint could charge enough to make them profitable AND the collecting community could get some satisfaction. I like the compromise. That way they could still maintain the cent in proof sets as well.
Check out my counterstamped Lincoln Cent collection: http://goccf.com/t/303507
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Con #1 refutes Pro #2 If 2/3rds of the cent produced make a one way trip from the mint to the consumer and then aren't used again it kind of makes the argument that they can be used for decades rather weak. Pro #1, Eliminating the cent should have no effect on consumer prices because prices can still be listed in odd numbers of cents. Rounding doesn't take place until after sales tax is applied. Pro #3, as Jbuck said eliminating the cent would probably INCREASE the amount received by charities. Donations of that type are usually made by giving whatever small change people have on them. Elimination of cents would probably mean people would have more nickels and dimes on them. My guess is donations would increase. Now problems with the Cons Con #2 Do you expect me to believe that if we stopped making the cent it would stop copper and zinc mining? Or pollution from transporting things? Eliminating the cent isn't going to reduce either of those in any significant way. Quote: Can't get rid of the penny. You need it to pay the exact amount of State Tax. But with rounding sales tax comes out in nice even nickels. Sometimes it rounds up, sometimes down and in the long run it comes out even, and no need to have any one cent coins. Besides if you want to pay the exact sales tax you would need Half Cent and Mil coins as well. Buy something for 95 cents with a 7% sales tax you need a nickel, a cent, a Half Cent, and two mills, and that is still rounded up not exact. If you are going to complain about rounding to the nickel you need to be complaining about the current rounding to the cent.
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 United States
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Quote: The U.S. should have done this years ago, along with eliminating the dollar bill for a dollar coin and switching to the metric system! One step at a time though. Agreed!  Quote: Can't get rid of the penny. You need it to pay the exact amount of State Tax. Negative, Ghost Rider.  Plenty of places have x.5% and x.25 % sales tax without half and quarter cents. The totals are always rounded after taxes applied. This deserves another...  Quote: How about being struck as special items, like half dollars are? Then the Mint could charge enough to make them profitable AND the collecting community could get some satisfaction. Yup. Give us a 95% copper cent in the mint and proof sets. 
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
4867 Posts |
The reasons for them in the article are beyond ridiculous. Should be elimited entirely, no inclusions in sets. Millions would be saved, including transportation costs.
Edited by TheForce 10/09/2018 3:32 pm
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