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So, Are We Not Going To Talk About This One? 1798 8 Reales "Edge Error"

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 Posted 10/18/2018  1:22 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add TwoKopeiki to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Featured in the Gaspar de Portola sale by Aureo. I was surprised to see that for a coin like this the image of the edge was not provided, so I asked a dealer contact of mine to snap some photos during lot previews.

I'll pop the thumbnails (no pun intended ;) ) here and wait to hear the thoughts of the community before sharing some of mine.

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10/18/2018 1:22 pm
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 Posted 10/18/2018  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Atribucion muy sillyo.

Looks like a genuine piece... with some silver shaved off (you can see just from the faces the denticles are too short) and then a not-quite-correct edge design re-engraved at some point.

I'm guessing the collector called it "canto especial" and Aureo just went with it to not be difficult.

The curious thing - that's a lot of work to only take about a gram of silver. Usually on pieces like this, at least several grams were taken...
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10/18/2018 2:52 pm
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 Posted 10/18/2018  4:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The edge here is a series of rectangles so we know that the coin is not "original" - it is either a fake or a fraud.

A modified coin as realeswatcher suggests is one possibility, however, I would still classify it as fraudulent because of silver theft.

It might be a Contemporary Circulating Counterfeit depending on the density (silver content). Even if it is silver it could have been made in the late 1800's or early 1900's for the China trade.

A very recent numismatic forgery made to fool collectors is also a possibility since today many image transfer technologies can duplicate the appearance of a genuine coin.

This is a coin that should be studied scientifically (weight, SG and XRF) so that it can be properly classified.
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