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Why Do TPGs Grade Peace Dollars Lower Than Morgans?

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Ms65 and higher Morgans abound. Aside from 1922-1925, Peace dollars graded ms65 and higher range from somewhat expensive (1926, 1934, 1935) to ridiculous in Ms65, and particularly so in ms66. Can anyone explain why this is the case?
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1926, 1934 and 1935 had mintages less than 2 million. The early Peace dollars had huge mintages peaking at about 52 million in 1922 to meet the needs of the Pittman Act. Under a normal distribution, a run of 52 million coins will yield more gem BUs than a run of 2 million. About 25-50 times more gems in '22 than each of the 3 philly dates you listed.

More than 650 million Morgan dollars were minted. This implies that a gem Morgan is statistically hundreds of times more likely than a 1926, 1934 or 1935 gem Peace dollar.

In addition, millions of Morgans never circulated because they were held at banks as silver reserves backing silver certificates. This skewed the grade distribution of morgans and Peace dollars toward the higher grades.

TPGs do not grade Peace dollars lower. It is just the case that more Morgan dollar gems exist because many more Morgan dollars were minted, especially when compared to later date Peace dollars.
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Makes sense to me,numismatic student. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Peace dollars get down graded because of water spots or some such thing, but I am probably wrong. In any event, I have never been able to recognize such a spot, if I have seen it. If anyone has the slightest idea about what I may be misremembering, it would be great to hear from you.
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"Uncirculated Peace dollars of other dates [than 1928 and 1934-S] were usually bright, indicating that they had been mixed into bags relatively recently (or else they would have acquired the "standard" dull gray surfaces). Sometimes they would have nasty, little white "water spots" on them; spots that could not be removed. Others had a rusty yellow-orange tint, probably from being stored in damp bags or damp vaults."
--Q. David Bowers in 1999.

The water spotting on some Peace dollars was pointed out by David Bowers, but he did not indicate it was especially prevalent.
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I am impressed you found quote so quickly. I most likely learned of the concept by reading Bowers myself. But it would have been in a book published after 1999. I must admit that I have looked for water spots since first reading of them, and I have never seen anything I suspected was one.
I looked at the mintages post 1925 as you pointed out. They do indeed, have an "eyeball average" of under 2 million/year. Out of curiosity, I looked at the next largest contemporary (1926-1935) coin, the Walker half. In several years prior to 1934, none were minted at all, and of those issued, the mintages ran mostly just under 2 million, much like the Peace dollar. In the years 1926. - 1933, the Red Book does not even list values at the ms65 level, and ms63s are listed at $800 - $3,000. PCGS price guide lists the value range at ms65 at $2500 -$7500, a range much higher than common date Morgans and Peace dollars. Interestingly, when mintages of Walkers skyrocketed in the 1940s, a correspondingly higher number of high grade coins were minted, and an ms65 can now be found for under $100. Even Ms67s are easily found for under $500.
Of course, this merely proves your point by replicating your analysis. It was meaningful to me, however, as I have a much greater appreciation of how uncommon ms65s are, even in issues of around 2 million coins. Just as important, I will no longer have the Morgan-conditioned feeling that I am somehow "settling" when I buy myself an ms63.
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ns - Well reasoned.
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I've noticed the same thing too. I've come across many 22/23 Peace dollars that look great, but they are so common that it probably doesn't make sense to have them graded. Then, by the time you consider how how they'd have to grade for it to make sense... well, I just let them be.

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You can buy an ms65 Peace dollar in a TPG holder for less than $100. What's better than that?
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Yep - NS nailed it.
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